diff --git a/docs/DECISIONS.md b/docs/DECISIONS.md
index 50ec9bf..654685f 100644
--- a/docs/DECISIONS.md
+++ b/docs/DECISIONS.md
@@ -5,6 +5,34 @@ they can be judged and reversed later. Detail lives in RUST.md (and IRIS.md
 for iris API changes); this file is only the summary. Newest first. Items
 marked **DEFERRED** are ones the agent chose not to decide alone.
 
+## 2026-09-08 (last: scrolling moves out of the list)
+
+Agreed with Iris in the exchange that followed, so most of this is her
+call rather than mine. IRIS.md has the account. What I decided along the
+way, and would flag for reversal:
+
+- **A third `Widget` method, `scroll_offset`**, beyond the two we agreed.
+  `apply_scroll`'s remainder is exact only when the wall was already in
+  view, and a lazy span usually cannot see its wall until it has walked
+  there -- so `Scroll` reads the child's accumulated movement after the
+  placing draw instead of adding remainders up, which would drift.
+- **One scroll-delta convention, the finger's.** The two widgets had
+  opposite ones under the same name; `LazySpan::scroll` is now private and
+  the single negation lives in its `apply_scroll`. Call sites that passed
+  `-dy`/`-v` pass them straight through, and one fixture's expected
+  velocity flipped sign with its magnitude unchanged.
+- **The transcript builds its `Scroll` by hand rather than through
+  `.scrollable_to_end()`**, because that helper registers a finger drag
+  and `Selection` is already the arbiter for those frames -- two
+  `DragGesture`s seeing one gesture is what `DragGesture`'s own doc rules
+  out. The wheel is registered identically; only the drag differs.
+- **DEFERRED: the pin stays in each widget.** Iris asked for `amt` and
+  the at-end control to live in `Scroll`; `amt` does, the pin does not,
+  because applying a pin happens when a row is appended -- between frames,
+  with no painter -- so moving it needs a fourth `Widget` method or a
+  parameter on `apply_scroll`. Nothing external edits a pin today.
+  docs/IRIS_TODO.md carries it.
+
 ## 2026-09-08 (later still: the list's overscroll clamp, in frame)
 
 Finishes the item the previous entry deferred. IRIS.md has the account.
diff --git a/docs/IRIS.md b/docs/IRIS.md
index 16235d2..5765b26 100644
--- a/docs/IRIS.md
+++ b/docs/IRIS.md
@@ -12,6 +12,111 @@ things still stay out.
 An entry gives the date, what changed, why, and a short before/after where
 it helps judge the change without the session that made it. Newest first.
 
+## 2026-09-08 (last): `List` is `LazySpan`, and scrolling belongs to `Scroll`
+
+From the design exchange after the overscroll fix, where you asked
+whether `List` could just be `Span::scrollable()`. It cannot -- a lazy
+layout is a real thing a `Span` is not, for reasons measured below -- but
+almost everything you named as out of place was, and it has all moved.
+
+**`List` -> `LazySpan`** (`ListRow` -> `LazyItem`, `RowKey` unchanged),
+living beside `Span` under `widget/position/`. It is what `Span` is, laid
+out lazily from an anchor rather than eagerly from the start, and the name
+says so. It also stops colliding with `BlockKind::List` in the markdown
+code.
+
+**It takes a `Dir` instead of an `Axis`**, meaning what it means in `Span`:
+which end item 0 sits at. That is a **different question from which end
+the view is pinned to**, and conflating them would stand a transcript on
+its head -- its oldest message is item 0 and sits at the top (`Dir::DOWN`)
+while the view clings to the bottom. So the pin is its own argument:
+`LazySpan::new(dir, at_end)`, spelled like `Scroll::new`'s. `Dir::UP` is
+real rather than nominal: the walk works in direction-relative pixels from
+the leading edge, with `abs_region` flipping the box and `flip_pos`
+converting the screen-space positions the hit-testing helpers speak in.
+
+**Everything about scrolling left the list.** Its `Flinger`, its
+`density`, its `Arc<dyn RequestRedraw>` (which had no business existing in
+a single-threaded frame loop), its `tick`, and the whole
+`fling`/`cancel_fling`/`tick_fling`/`is_scrolling`/`fling_velocity`
+surface are gone. `Scroll` was the only other `Flinger` user, so there is
+now exactly one implementation of the physics and `sense.rs` keeps the
+parts both ever shared. A transcript is `list.scrollable_to_end()` like
+anything else.
+
+### The new public surface: three `Widget` methods
+
+```rust
+fn scrolls_itself(&self) -> bool { false }
+fn apply_scroll(&mut self, delta: &mut f32) {}
+fn scroll_offset(&self) -> f32 { 0.0 }
+```
+
+`Scroll` asks the first, and if the child says yes it stops sliding the
+child about as a lump and starts handing it deltas. Each method is `&self`
+or `&mut self` for a reason worth keeping: reaching a widget through
+`Widgets::get_dyn_mut` *marks it dirty*, so asking the capability question
+through `apply_scroll` would dirty every ordinary child on every scroll
+tick and cost exactly the O(1) move the whole scheme exists for.
+
+`Scroll::draw` is then measure, apply, place -- the same measure-then-place
+idiom it already used for its own content length. The measuring draw is
+free in the common case (unchanged region, nothing dirty, so `draw_inner`
+returns immediately and the child's stored walls are still correct) and
+really walks exactly when the content changed, which is when they need
+re-reading. **Nothing is marked by hand**: reaching the child to hand it
+the delta is itself what dirties it, so the placing draw really draws.
+That is why `Painter::draw_again` could stay deleted.
+
+### Why `scroll_offset` exists
+
+`apply_scroll` leaving a remainder was meant to be the whole story, and it
+is not quite. A lazy span usually **cannot say where its content ends
+until it has walked there**, so it takes a delta in full whenever the wall
+is not already in view, and the walk that follows gives part of it back.
+The remainder is exact only when the wall was already visible. `Scroll`
+adding remainders up would over-count by every overshoot and never
+correct, so it reads the child's accumulated movement after the placing
+draw instead, and `amt` is set from that. `amt` therefore always equals
+what is on screen.
+
+For a self-positioning child `amt` is **movement, not position**: paging
+rows in above moves the origin and the child cannot say by how much,
+never having measured them. The direction is the same as an ordinary
+child's; the absolute value is not comparable, and a scrollbar would need
+a real content length before it could use either.
+
+### One convention for a scroll delta
+
+There were two, and they read alike: `Scroll::scroll(+)` moved toward the
+*start* while `LazySpan::scroll(+)` moved toward the *end*, with the
+latter's doc claiming to mirror the former. Every call site had to
+remember which it was talking to, and `Selection::drag` negated on the way
+in. There is one now -- the finger's, which is `Scroll`'s -- and
+`LazySpan::scroll` is private with the single negation inside
+`apply_scroll`. `a_negative_delta_moves_toward_the_end` pins it across the
+whole handoff, since no type can catch a scroll running backwards.
+
+### What the measurements said, for the record
+
+- A `Span` is skipped entirely in the steady state (`(0,0,0)` counters),
+  but **when it is redrawn it costs two draws per child** -- 21 draws for
+  10 children -- because phase 1 offers each child the ambient region to
+  learn its length and phase 2 offers it its real share. Any mutation of a
+  `Span` therefore redraws all of it: 24 draws for 11 children after one
+  prepend. That is why a transcript cannot be one.
+- A settled scroll tick of the lazy span with 31 rows on screen is
+  **1 real draw and 31 move-slot writes**, no primitive rewrites and no
+  text reshaped; an idle frame is `(0,0,0,0)`. That is the number against
+  which "store the edges and only recompute what changed" would be
+  judged, and it is why the walk was left alone.
+- The framework's own `ActiveData::size` cannot serve as the row-height
+  cache: `remove_rec` frees it the moment a row is virtualised away,
+  which is exactly when the walk needs it. The cache stays in the
+  container, keyed by `RowKey` -- which is also right for the reason you
+  gave, that a widget may one day render in two places and a size keyed
+  by `WidgetId` would break.
+
 ## 2026-09-08 (later still): a `List` clamps its overscroll in the same frame, and `draw_again` is gone
 
 The last place in iris that corrected itself on a later frame. `List`'s
diff --git a/docs/IRIS_TODO.md b/docs/IRIS_TODO.md
index 3e4bb66..4b3fb2b 100644
--- a/docs/IRIS_TODO.md
+++ b/docs/IRIS_TODO.md
@@ -52,7 +52,45 @@ order and what "done" looks like. Tick and date them in place.
   honest for every current use and must be written at the field so
   nobody builds a scrollbar on it.
 
-  Step 1 is done. Steps 2 and 3 are not.
+  Done 2026-09-08, in two commits (the rename, then steps 2 and 3
+  together -- deleting the fling before `Scroll` could drive it would
+  have left the app unable to scroll at all).
+
+  **Two things the plan did not anticipate, both settled in the code:**
+
+  - **`apply_scroll`'s remainder is not enough on its own, so `Widget`
+    gained a third method, `scroll_offset`.** A lazy span usually cannot
+    say where its content ends until it has walked there, so it takes a
+    delta in full whenever the wall is not already in view, and the walk
+    that follows gives part of it back. The remainder is therefore right
+    only when the wall was already visible, and `Scroll` adding
+    remainders up would over-count by every overshoot and never correct.
+    `scroll_offset` is the child's accumulated movement, read `&self`
+    after the placing draw, and `Scroll::amt` is set from it -- so `amt`
+    equals what is on screen rather than what was asked for. There is a
+    test, `amt_counts_only_what_the_child_could_take`.
+  - **There were two opposite scroll-delta conventions**, and the
+    handoff made keeping both impossible. `Scroll::scroll(+)` moved
+    toward the *start* while `LazySpan::scroll(+)` moved toward the
+    *end*, and `LazySpan::scroll`'s own doc claimed to mirror `Scroll`'s.
+    There is one now -- the finger's, which is `Scroll`'s -- and
+    `LazySpan::scroll` is private, with the single negation inside
+    `apply_scroll`. Call sites that used to pass `-dy`/`-v` pass them
+    through, and the fixture recordings' expected velocity flipped sign
+    with its magnitude unchanged.
+
+  **Still open, and the one thing to decide:** the *pin* ("stay at the
+  end as rows are appended") is still each widget's own -- `Scroll` has
+  `snap_end` for an ordinary child, `LazySpan` has one for itself, and
+  the constructor argument sets each. Iris asked for `amt` and "other
+  controls (iirc only at end for now)" to live in `Scroll` so a caller
+  always edits the `Scroll`; that half is done for `amt` and not for the
+  pin, because a pin has to be *applied* when a row is appended --
+  between frames, with no painter in hand -- so moving it needs either a
+  fourth `Widget` method or a parameter on `apply_scroll`. Nothing
+  external edits a pin today (the transcript sets it once at
+  construction and calls `jump_to_end` on the span for the rest), so
+  this is a design question rather than a missing capability.
 
 
 - [x] **`List::clamp_to_content` still corrects on the next frame
diff --git a/iris/android-app/src/bench_client.rs b/iris/android-app/src/bench_client.rs
index e0dcd43..a967cd3 100644
--- a/iris/android-app/src/bench_client.rs
+++ b/iris/android-app/src/bench_client.rs
@@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ const STREAM_SECONDS: u64 = 20;
 /// swipe with these any more.
 const LEGACY_CYCLES: usize = 6;
 
-/// Fling phase (v2): a real fling through `LazySpan::fling`, not a tween --
+/// Fling phase (v2): a real fling through `Scroll::fling`, not a tween --
 /// Iris's ask was that it "travel way faster" than the v1 swipe, and a
 /// tween can never exceed the distance/time it is given while a real
 /// fling decays from an initial velocity the way a finger flick does.
@@ -908,14 +908,15 @@ where
 }
 
 /// Phase 1: starting pinned at the newest end, `FLING_COUNT` flings away
-/// from it (toward older messages) through `LazySpan::fling`, then
-/// `FLING_COUNT` back. Outward is *negative* in this list's `scroll`
-/// convention (`LazySpan::scroll`'s own doc: positive moves *later* content
-/// into view) -- the opposite sign `BenchRun.kt`'s `runFlingPhase` uses,
-/// since `TranscriptList`'s `LazyColumn` and this list define "positive"
-/// the other way around; the two apps' *travel* is still directly
-/// comparable because both report it as a row index + pixel offset, not a
-/// signed distance.
+/// from it (toward older messages) through `Scroll::fling`, then
+/// `FLING_COUNT` back. Outward is *positive* in `Scroll::scroll`'s
+/// convention, which is the finger's: a finger dragged down the screen
+/// brings earlier content into view. It was negative here until
+/// 2026-09-08, when the transcript's scroll position moved out of the
+/// `LazySpan` -- whose anchor offset ran the other way -- and into the
+/// `Scroll` around it. The two apps' *travel* is directly comparable
+/// whichever way the signs run, because both report it as a row index plus
+/// a pixel offset rather than a signed distance.
 async fn run_fling_phase(
     ctx: &mut iris::task::TaskCtx<Rsc>,
     redraw: &Arc<dyn RequestRedraw>,
@@ -937,8 +938,8 @@ async fn run_fling_phase(
     for _ in 0..FLING_COUNT {
         ctx.update(|state: &mut BenchClient, rsc| {
             if let Some(screen) = &state.screen {
-                (screen.list)(rsc).fling(-FLING_VELOCITY_PX_S);
-                animate_list(screen.list, rsc);
+                (screen.scroll)(rsc).fling(FLING_VELOCITY_PX_S);
+                animate_scroll(screen.scroll, rsc);
             }
         });
         redraw.request_redraw();
@@ -950,8 +951,8 @@ async fn run_fling_phase(
     for _ in 0..FLING_COUNT {
         ctx.update(|state: &mut BenchClient, rsc| {
             if let Some(screen) = &state.screen {
-                (screen.list)(rsc).fling(FLING_VELOCITY_PX_S);
-                animate_list(screen.list, rsc);
+                (screen.scroll)(rsc).fling(-FLING_VELOCITY_PX_S);
+                animate_scroll(screen.scroll, rsc);
             }
         });
         redraw.request_redraw();
@@ -977,11 +978,11 @@ async fn read_anchor_position(
     .await
 }
 
-/// Register the list with the frame loop, exactly as a finger's own
+/// Register the scroll area with the frame loop, exactly as a finger's own
 /// release does (`transcript_ui::Selection::drag`'s `Released` arm) --
-/// `LazySpan::fling` sets a velocity and drives nothing by itself.
-fn animate_list(list: iris::prelude::WeakWidget<iris::prelude::LazySpan>, rsc: &mut Rsc) {
-    let id = list.id();
+/// `Scroll::fling` sets a velocity and drives nothing by itself.
+fn animate_scroll(scroll: iris::prelude::WeakWidget<iris::prelude::Scroll>, rsc: &mut Rsc) {
+    let id = scroll.id();
     rsc.ui_mut().animate(id);
 }
 
@@ -991,7 +992,7 @@ fn animate_list(list: iris::prelude::WeakWidget<iris::prelude::LazySpan>, rsc: &
 /// spline-decided `duration()` already caps how long it can run.
 ///
 /// **It observes; it does not drive.** Until 2026-09-08 this loop called
-/// `LazySpan::tick_fling` itself every `POLL_MS`, which advanced the
+/// `Scroll::tick` itself every `POLL_MS`, which advanced the
 /// fling in 16ms steps -- so on Iris's 120Hz phone every second frame
 /// redrew the list at a position it had already drawn, and the benchmark
 /// looked distinctly less smooth than the same list under her finger.
@@ -1010,7 +1011,7 @@ async fn wait_for_fling_settle(
     let started = Instant::now();
     while started.elapsed() < cap {
         let still_scrolling = read_from_state(ctx, redraw, |state, rsc| match &state.screen {
-            Some(screen) => (screen.list)(rsc).is_scrolling(),
+            Some(screen) => (screen.scroll)(rsc).is_scrolling(),
             None => false,
         })
         .await;
diff --git a/iris/benches/message_list.rs b/iris/benches/message_list.rs
index 935c421..1996f0e 100644
--- a/iris/benches/message_list.rs
+++ b/iris/benches/message_list.rs
@@ -113,14 +113,22 @@ fn build_message_list(
     rsc: &mut BenchRsc,
     n: usize,
     image_every: usize,
-) -> (WeakWidget<LazySpan>, StrongWidget) {
+) -> (WeakWidget<LazySpan>, WeakWidget<Scroll>, StrongWidget) {
     let mut list = LazySpan::new(Dir::DOWN, true);
     for i in 0..n {
         let row = build_row(rsc, i, image_every);
         list.push_back(LazyItem::new(i as u64, row));
     }
     let list = rsc.ui.widgets.add_strong(list);
-    (list.weak(), list.any())
+    let list_weak = list.weak();
+    // Scrolled through a `Scroll`, like every other scroll area in iris
+    // since the position moved out of the list: what this measures has to
+    // be the path the app actually takes.
+    let scroll = rsc
+        .ui
+        .widgets
+        .add_strong(Scroll::new(list.any(), Axis::Y, true));
+    (list_weak, scroll.weak(), scroll.any())
 }
 
 fn report(label: &str, elapsed: std::time::Duration, draws: u64, rewrites: u64, moves: u64) {
@@ -135,7 +143,7 @@ fn bench_first_frame(n: usize) {
     let mut rsc = BenchRsc {
         ui: UiData::default(),
     };
-    let (_list, root) = build_message_list(&mut rsc, n, 20);
+    let (_list, _scroll, root) = build_message_list(&mut rsc, n, 20);
     let mut render = UiRenderState::new();
     render.resize((1080.0, 2000.0));
 
@@ -160,11 +168,11 @@ fn bench_scroll(n: usize, ticks: usize) {
     let mut rsc = BenchRsc {
         ui: UiData::default(),
     };
-    let (list, root) = build_message_list(&mut rsc, n, 20);
+    let (_list, scroll, root) = build_message_list(&mut rsc, n, 20);
     let mut render = UiRenderState::new();
     render.resize((1080.0, 2000.0));
     render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-    rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list).unwrap().scroll(0.0);
+    rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().scroll(0.0);
     render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
     render.take_counters();
 
@@ -173,7 +181,7 @@ fn bench_scroll(n: usize, ticks: usize) {
     let mut total_rewrites = 0u64;
     let mut total_moves = 0u64;
     for _ in 0..ticks {
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list).unwrap().scroll(-8.0);
+        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().scroll(-8.0);
         let start = Instant::now();
         render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
         total += start.elapsed();
@@ -207,7 +215,7 @@ fn bench_input_grows(n: usize, lines: usize) {
     let mut rsc = BenchRsc {
         ui: UiData::default(),
     };
-    let (list, list_root) = build_message_list(&mut rsc, n, 20);
+    let (_list, scroll, list_root) = build_message_list(&mut rsc, n, 20);
     let list_area = rsc.ui.widgets.add_strong(Sized {
         inner: list_root,
         x: None,
@@ -231,7 +239,7 @@ fn bench_input_grows(n: usize, lines: usize) {
     let mut render = UiRenderState::new();
     render.resize((1080.0, 2000.0));
     render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-    rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list).unwrap().scroll(0.0);
+    rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().scroll(0.0);
     render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
     render.take_counters();
 
@@ -277,7 +285,7 @@ fn bench_insert_above_anchor(n: usize, inserts: usize) {
     let mut rsc = BenchRsc {
         ui: UiData::default(),
     };
-    let (list, root) = build_message_list(&mut rsc, n, 20);
+    let (list, _scroll, root) = build_message_list(&mut rsc, n, 20);
     let mut render = UiRenderState::new();
     render.resize((1080.0, 2000.0));
     render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
diff --git a/iris/core/src/ui/painter.rs b/iris/core/src/ui/painter.rs
index 3aba7d3..3077a76 100644
--- a/iris/core/src/ui/painter.rs
+++ b/iris/core/src/ui/painter.rs
@@ -166,6 +166,43 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
         self.mask = self.own_mask;
     }
 
+    /// Ask a child whether it positions its own content
+    /// ([`Widget::scrolls_itself`]) -- read through `get_dyn`, which does
+    /// **not** mark it dirty, which is the whole reason this is a separate
+    /// question from [`Self::apply_scroll`] rather than something that
+    /// falls out of calling it. `false` for a child that has gone.
+    pub fn scrolls_itself<W: ?Sized>(&self, id: &StrongWidget<W>) -> bool {
+        self.rsc
+            .widgets()
+            .get_dyn(id.id())
+            .is_some_and(|w| w.scrolls_itself())
+    }
+
+    /// Hand a child a scroll delta to take what it can of
+    /// ([`Widget::apply_scroll`]), leaving the rest in `delta`.
+    ///
+    /// Reaching the child mutably is what marks it for a real redraw
+    /// (`Widgets::get_dyn_mut`), so a caller that follows this with
+    /// another `widget_within` at the same region gets a genuine draw
+    /// rather than `draw_inner`'s unchanged-region skip -- which is
+    /// exactly the measure-then-place shape `Scroll` uses, and why there
+    /// is no "mark this for another frame" call in this type.
+    pub fn apply_scroll<W: ?Sized>(&mut self, id: &StrongWidget<W>, delta: &mut f32) {
+        if let Some(w) = self.rsc.widgets_mut().get_dyn_mut(id.id()) {
+            w.apply_scroll(delta);
+        }
+    }
+
+    /// Read a self-positioning child's accumulated content movement
+    /// ([`Widget::scroll_offset`]). Through `get_dyn`, so it does not mark
+    /// the child dirty. `0.0` for a child that has gone.
+    pub fn scroll_offset<W: ?Sized>(&self, id: &StrongWidget<W>) -> f32 {
+        self.rsc
+            .widgets()
+            .get_dyn(id.id())
+            .map_or(0.0, |w| w.scroll_offset())
+    }
+
     /// Whether anything is clipping what this widget draws -- its own
     /// [`Self::set_mask`], or one an ancestor set that it inherited. What
     /// a widget whose contents may legitimately extend past its own box
diff --git a/iris/core/src/widget/mod.rs b/iris/core/src/widget/mod.rs
index 9b180bd..0be49ac 100644
--- a/iris/core/src/widget/mod.rs
+++ b/iris/core/src/widget/mod.rs
@@ -60,6 +60,72 @@ pub trait Widget: Any {
     fn tick(&mut self, now: std::time::Instant) -> bool {
         false
     }
+
+    /// Whether this widget positions its own content and should be handed
+    /// scroll deltas ([`Self::apply_scroll`]) instead of being moved by
+    /// the `Scroll` around it. Default `false`: an ordinary child is a
+    /// fixed lump its parent slides about, which is what makes a scroll
+    /// tick an O(1) move of one subtree rather than a redraw.
+    ///
+    /// A lazy layout has to answer `true`, because the two halves of a
+    /// scroll are not separable for it: which children exist at all is a
+    /// function of where it is scrolled to, so it cannot be a lump, and it
+    /// cannot report a content length for the parent to clamp against
+    /// either -- it has never measured the rows it has not drawn.
+    ///
+    /// **`&self` on purpose.** Reaching a widget through
+    /// `Widgets::get_dyn_mut` marks it dirty, so asking the question
+    /// through [`Self::apply_scroll`] would dirty every ordinary child on
+    /// every scroll tick and cost exactly the redraw the move path exists
+    /// to avoid. This is read through `get_dyn`, which does not mark.
+    fn scrolls_itself(&self) -> bool {
+        false
+    }
+
+    /// Take as much of `delta` as this widget can actually move, and leave
+    /// the rest in it. Only called on a widget whose
+    /// [`Self::scrolls_itself`] is `true`.
+    ///
+    /// The sign is `Scroll::scroll`'s, which is the finger's: a positive
+    /// delta moves the content in the positive direction of the axis, and
+    /// so brings *earlier* content into view.
+    ///
+    /// What is left behind is how the caller learns it reached a wall --
+    /// asked for 300, got 50 back means the content ran out 250 short --
+    /// which is all a fling needs to know to stop, and all a pin needs to
+    /// know to re-pin. There is deliberately nothing here reporting an
+    /// absolute position: a lazy layout's origin moves when content is
+    /// loaded above it, so any such number would be a fiction.
+    ///
+    /// Called between the two draws of `Scroll::draw`, so the walls this
+    /// answers against were measured by the first of them.
+    #[allow(unused_variables)]
+    fn apply_scroll(&mut self, delta: &mut f32) {}
+
+    /// How far this widget has moved its own content in total, in
+    /// [`Self::apply_scroll`]'s direction convention -- for a parent
+    /// keeping an account of where a self-positioning child has got to.
+    ///
+    /// **Why this exists and `apply_scroll`'s remainder is not enough.**
+    /// A lazy layout usually cannot say where its content ends until it
+    /// has walked there, so `apply_scroll` takes a delta in full whenever
+    /// the wall is not already in view, and the wall is found by the walk
+    /// that follows -- which gives some of it back. The remainder is
+    /// therefore right only when the wall was already visible, and a
+    /// parent adding remainders up would over-count by every overshoot
+    /// and never correct. Read after the child has been placed, this is
+    /// what actually happened.
+    ///
+    /// `&self`, so asking does not mark the child dirty
+    /// ([`Self::scrolls_itself`] has the reasoning).
+    ///
+    /// Counts scrolling only: a jump straight to an item is not travel
+    /// across the content and does not appear here, because for a layout
+    /// whose origin moves as content is paged in there is no distance
+    /// between the two positions to report.
+    fn scroll_offset(&self) -> f32 {
+        0.0
+    }
 }
 
 impl Widget for () {
diff --git a/iris/examples/message_list.rs b/iris/examples/message_list.rs
index 878f9f7..a1f22c2 100644
--- a/iris/examples/message_list.rs
+++ b/iris/examples/message_list.rs
@@ -104,11 +104,12 @@ impl DefaultAppState for State {
             list.push_back(LazyItem::new(i as u64, row));
         }
 
+        // `.scrollable_to_end`, like anything else that scrolls: the
+        // wheel and the drag are the `Scroll`'s, and the list only lays
+        // out. Masked outside it, since a `LazySpan` draws the row
+        // straddling each edge in full and asserts something clips it.
         let root = list
-            .on(CursorSense::Scroll, |ctx, rsc| {
-                let delta = ctx.data.scroll_delta.y * 50.0;
-                ctx.widget(rsc).scroll(delta);
-            })
+            .scrollable_to_end(Axis::Y)
             .masked()
             .background(rect(Color::WHITE))
             .add_strong(rsc);
diff --git a/iris/src/harness.rs b/iris/src/harness.rs
index ae5fc3d..9da9604 100644
--- a/iris/src/harness.rs
+++ b/iris/src/harness.rs
@@ -142,7 +142,7 @@ impl TouchScript {
 
 /// Counts the frames something asked for without drawing any -- the
 /// harness's `RequestRedraw`. A `LazySpan` coasting through a fling asks for
-/// the next frame through this (`LazySpan::set_redraw_handle`), so a test can
+/// the next frame through this (`UiData::animate` and `Widget::tick`), so a test can
 /// tell "nothing moved" from "nothing was even asked to move".
 #[derive(Default)]
 pub struct RedrawCounter(AtomicUsize);
@@ -335,7 +335,7 @@ impl Harness {
     }
 
     /// The `Instant` this harness means by `t_ms`. Public because a
-    /// caller driving `LazySpan::tick_fling` or `DragGesture` by hand needs
+    /// caller driving `Scroll::tick` or `DragGesture` by hand needs
     /// to date those calls on the same clock the touch samples use.
     pub fn at(&self, t_ms: u64) -> Instant {
         self.base + Duration::from_millis(t_ms)
@@ -371,7 +371,7 @@ impl Harness {
 
     /// Frames every `step_ms` up to and including `end_ms` -- what a
     /// fling needs, since it moves only while something ticks it
-    /// (`LazySpan::fling`'s doc). Returns the time of the last frame run.
+    /// (`Scroll::fling`'s doc). Returns the time of the last frame run.
     pub fn frames_until(&mut self, from_ms: u64, end_ms: u64, step_ms: u64) -> u64 {
         debug_assert!(step_ms > 0, "a frame loop with no step never ends");
         let mut t = from_ms;
diff --git a/iris/src/sense.rs b/iris/src/sense.rs
index a8e186a..895caa6 100644
--- a/iris/src/sense.rs
+++ b/iris/src/sense.rs
@@ -924,7 +924,7 @@ pub struct PressState {
     /// instead of waiting for a long-press.
     pub already_selected: bool,
     /// Whether the target was already moving under its own momentum (a
-    /// `LazySpan` with a fling in flight, `LazySpan::is_scrolling`). See
+    /// `LazySpan` with a fling in flight, `Scroll::is_scrolling`). See
     /// [`DragArbiter::press_start`]: a press on moving content is a catch,
     /// and catches skip the slop entirely.
     pub scrolling: bool,
@@ -1125,7 +1125,7 @@ impl DragArbiter {
 
     /// Whether the arbiter's current gesture (if any) has committed to
     /// panning -- what a caller checks at release time to decide whether
-    /// to hand the tracked velocity to [`crate::widget::LazySpan::fling`], per
+    /// to hand the tracked velocity to [`crate::widget::Scroll::fling`], per
     /// IRIS_TODO.md's "swiping has no momentum": a fling must only follow
     /// a pan, never a text selection that happened to end with the finger
     /// still moving.
@@ -1158,7 +1158,7 @@ impl DragArbiter {
 pub enum GestureOutcome {
     Undecided,
     /// Same units and sign as [`DragOutcome::Pan`] -- the caller's own
-    /// convention (`LazySpan::scroll`'s, for a transcript) to apply.
+    /// convention (`Scroll::scroll`'s, for a transcript) to apply.
     Pan(f32),
     SelectStart,
     SelectExtend,
@@ -1173,7 +1173,7 @@ pub enum GestureOutcome {
     /// The drag ended -- `PressEnd` or the capture's own terminal `Drop`.
     /// `Some(velocity)` only if the gesture had committed to panning
     /// (never a tap, a long-press selection, or one still `Undecided`);
-    /// same units as `Pan`, so a caller hands it to `LazySpan::fling` with
+    /// same units as `Pan`, so a caller hands it to `Scroll::fling` with
     /// whatever sign flip it already applies to `Pan`.
     Released(Option<f32>),
     /// Another widget took the pointer (`CursorSense::Cancel`), so this
@@ -1478,9 +1478,9 @@ const FIT_COEFFICIENTS: usize = FIT_DEGREE + 1;
 /// (`DragGestureNode.sendDragStopped` passes
 /// `LocalViewConfiguration.maximumFlingVelocity` into
 /// `VelocityTracker.calculateVelocity(maximumVelocity)`); iris applies it
-/// in [`crate::widget::LazySpan::fling`] instead, because that is the only
+/// in [`crate::widget::Scroll::fling`] instead, because that is the only
 /// place that knows the density this has to be multiplied by. There is
-/// deliberately **no** matching minimum: see `LazySpan::fling`.
+/// deliberately **no** matching minimum: see `Scroll::fling`.
 pub const MAX_FLING_VELOCITY_DP_S: f32 = 8000.0;
 
 /// Estimates a drag's speed along one axis the way Compose's touch
@@ -1608,7 +1608,7 @@ impl VelocityTracker {
     /// `VelocityTracker1D.calculateVelocity` with `Strategy.Lsq2`, then
     /// `calculateVelocity(maximumVelocity)`'s `NaN -> 0`. The maximum
     /// itself is applied by the caller that knows the density
-    /// ([`crate::widget::LazySpan::fling`]).
+    /// ([`crate::widget::Scroll::fling`]).
     ///
     /// `0.0` with fewer than [`MIN_SAMPLE_SIZE`] usable samples, which is
     /// Compose's answer too: a press and a single move carry no curve to
@@ -1655,7 +1655,7 @@ impl VelocityTracker {
         // `calculateVelocity(maximumVelocity)`'s first branch, kept as the
         // outer guard even though the degenerate case is now detected
         // rather than clamped: a fit can still overflow on inputs nothing
-        // here has produced, and `LazySpan::fling` asserts finiteness.
+        // here has produced, and `Scroll::fling` asserts finiteness.
         if velocity.is_finite() { velocity } else { 0.0 }
     }
 }
@@ -1876,7 +1876,7 @@ const FLING_FRICTION: f32 = 0.015;
 /// small, which put an `ln` of a 56x-too-large ratio through
 /// `exp(_/(rate-1))`: an ordinary flick came out lasting **30 seconds**
 /// instead of 1.6. Nothing could see it while a finger fling never
-/// animated at all (`LazySpan::fling`'s doc), which is why two defects had to
+/// animated at all (`Scroll::fling`'s doc), which is why two defects had to
 /// be fixed before either was visible.
 const FLING_TUNING: f32 = 0.84;
 fn deceleration_rate() -> f32 {
@@ -1896,7 +1896,7 @@ const GRAVITY_EARTH: f32 = 9.80665;
 /// `exp(ln(k*v/C) / (rate-1))` with `C` proportional to density, so the
 /// wrong density changes how long a fling lasts exponentially rather than
 /// scaling it. An earlier version of this comment claimed the opposite and
-/// `LazySpan::fling` passed `1.0`; on a 2.75-density screen that gave a
+/// `Scroll::fling` passed `1.0`; on a 2.75-density screen that gave a
 /// one-second flick a 45-second coast (measured 2026-09-07). `LazySpan` reads
 /// its density from the painter now.
 pub struct FlingCalculator {
@@ -1919,7 +1919,7 @@ impl FlingCalculator {
     /// Total signed distance the fling travels before settling, in the
     /// same pixel units `velocity` was given in.
     pub fn distance(&self, velocity: f32) -> f32 {
-        // See `LazySpan::fling`'s matching assertion -- a non-finite velocity
+        // See `Scroll::fling`'s matching assertion -- a non-finite velocity
         // here silently produces a NaN distance rather than surfacing the
         // bug that produced it (docs/REVIEW-2026-09-06.md finding 3).
         debug_assert!(velocity.is_finite());
@@ -1946,7 +1946,7 @@ impl FlingCalculator {
     }
 
     /// The signed distance covered by `elapsed` into a fling of this
-    /// `velocity` -- what a per-frame ticker (`LazySpan::tick_fling`) calls to
+    /// `velocity` -- what a per-frame ticker (`Scroll::tick`) calls to
     /// find how far to have scrolled by now. Clamped to the full
     /// `distance()` once `elapsed` reaches `duration()`, so a caller need
     /// not special-case "past the end."
@@ -1964,7 +1964,7 @@ impl FlingCalculator {
     /// `FlingInfo.velocity`. It falls from roughly `velocity` at the start
     /// to zero at `duration()`, which is the whole difference between a
     /// fling and a constant-speed slide, so it is what
-    /// `LazySpan::tick_fling`'s debug line reports: successive frames printing
+    /// `Scroll::tick`'s debug line reports: successive frames printing
     /// a shrinking number is the evidence that the curve is being followed
     /// at all.
     pub fn velocity_at(&self, velocity: f32, elapsed: Duration) -> f32 {
@@ -2346,7 +2346,7 @@ mod fling_calculator_tests {
 
     /// Summing the spline's own per-frame position deltas across the
     /// whole fling has to land within 1% of the closed-form `distance()`
-    /// -- this is the guarantee that `LazySpan::tick_fling`'s per-frame reads
+    /// -- this is the guarantee that `Scroll::tick`'s per-frame reads
     /// of `position_at` actually add up to the total the fling promised,
     /// not merely that the two formulas look plausible independently.
     #[test]
diff --git a/iris/src/widget/position/lazy_span.rs b/iris/src/widget/position/lazy_span.rs
index 6b0cc16..eb6ef04 100644
--- a/iris/src/widget/position/lazy_span.rs
+++ b/iris/src/widget/position/lazy_span.rs
@@ -105,18 +105,31 @@
 //! that "whatever lies between" stays empty however far the list is
 //! panned.
 //!
-//! **Overscroll is taken back within the frame, never rubber-banded.** A
-//! `scroll()` or a fling past the first or last row leaves a gap;
-//! `overscroll_gap` measures it from the ends the walk already placed, and
-//! `draw` moves the anchor by it and walks a second time before the frame
-//! ends -- layout is a pure function of the state, not of how many frames
-//! have been drawn (Iris, 2026-09-08), the same rule `Scroll::draw`
-//! follows. A list shorter than its viewport is not overscrolled and is
-//! left alone, still bottom-anchored.
+//! **This widget does not scroll; it is scrolled.** There is no fling
+//! here, no gesture, no scroll position and no redraw handle -- a
+//! `Scroll` around it owns all of that, hands it deltas through
+//! [`Widget::apply_scroll`], and reads back what it managed to move
+//! ([`Widget::scroll_offset`]). What is left here is the layout: an
+//! anchor, a walk outward from it, and an honest answer about how far it
+//! can go. So `.scrollable_to_end()` is how a `LazySpan` is scrolled,
+//! which is how everything else in iris is scrolled too.
+//!
+//! **Overscroll cannot be entered by scrolling, and is taken back within
+//! the frame when something else causes it.** `apply_scroll` only ever
+//! takes as much as the walk says is there, so a delta that runs off the
+//! end simply comes back short. What it cannot prevent is the content or
+//! the viewport changing under a settled anchor, and for that
+//! `overscroll_gap` measures the gap from the ends the walk already
+//! placed and `draw` moves the anchor by it and walks a second time
+//! **before the frame ends** -- layout is a pure function of the state,
+//! not of how many frames have been drawn (Iris, 2026-09-08), the same
+//! rule `Scroll::draw` follows. A span shorter than its viewport is not
+//! overscrolled and is left alone, still pinned to the end it was built
+//! with.
 
 use crate::prelude::*;
 use iris_core::util::HashMap;
-use std::{collections::VecDeque, sync::Arc, time::Instant};
+use std::collections::VecDeque;
 
 /// A stable identifier for a loaded row, reused across pages so that a row
 /// already measured and drawn is not treated as new when data is inserted
@@ -254,42 +267,41 @@ pub struct LazySpan {
     /// row is evicted (`pop_front`/`pop_back`) so this cannot grow past
     /// however many rows are currently loaded.
     heights: HashMap<RowKey, f32>,
-    /// The list's fling, shared with every other scrolling widget in the
-    /// crate -- see `fling`/`tick_fling`/`is_scrolling`, IRIS_TODO.md's
-    /// "swiping has no momentum."
-    fling: Flinger,
-    /// What `tick_fling` re-arms every frame a fling is still running, so
-    /// the list keeps animating without needing a caller to poll it --
-    /// set once via `set_redraw_handle` by whoever owns the surface this
-    /// list draws into (the same handle `iris::task::Tasks::redraw_handle`
-    /// hands out elsewhere). `None` for a list that never flings
-    /// (headless tests, a caller driving `tick_fling` by hand as
-    /// `bench_client.rs`'s scripted phases do).
-    redraw: Option<Arc<dyn RequestRedraw>>,
-    /// Physical pixels per `dp`, copied from the painter on every `draw`
-    /// -- what [`Self::fling`] hands `FlingCalculator`. 1.0 until this
-    /// list has been drawn once, which is also the only state in which a
-    /// fling is impossible (`fling` needs an anchor, and an anchor comes
-    /// from a draw).
-    ///
-    /// It has to be the real one: the deceleration constant is
-    /// `GRAVITY * 39.37 * density * 160 * friction`, and the velocity fed
-    /// in is in the same physical pixels the touch events arrive in, so a
-    /// hardcoded 1.0 against a 2.75-density screen does not cancel out --
-    /// it makes the fling last exponentially too long. Measured on this
-    /// checkout's emulator, 2026-09-07, once flings could animate at all:
-    /// a flick that should coast for about a second ran for **45
-    /// seconds**.
-    density: f32,
-    /// Whether the last `draw` found no more content above the topmost
-    /// visible row (its top edge at or past the viewport's own top, with
-    /// no `prev_slot`) -- what `tick_fling` clamps a fling moving toward
-    /// the start against. Stale (from whatever the last draw found) on a
-    /// list that hasn't drawn yet; `false` by default, matching "assume
-    /// there is more content until a draw proves otherwise."
+    /// Whether the last walk found no more content before the leading
+    /// edge *and* nothing left to give back there -- what
+    /// [`Self::overscroll_gap`] reads. `false` by default, matching
+    /// "assume there is more content until a walk proves otherwise."
     at_start: bool,
-    /// The mirror of `at_start` for the newest end.
+    /// The mirror of `at_start` for the trailing end.
     at_end: bool,
+    /// The extreme edges the last walk reached, in the walk's own
+    /// direction-relative pixels, kept so [`Widget::apply_scroll`] can say
+    /// **exactly** how much of a delta this span is able to take rather
+    /// than only whether it is against a wall: with no more content past
+    /// an edge, the travel left in that direction is the distance from
+    /// that edge to the viewport's. `Scroll` adds what was taken to its
+    /// own `amt`, so an estimate here would leave that number drifting
+    /// from what is on screen by every overshoot into a wall.
+    ///
+    /// Measured by the *first* of `Scroll::draw`'s two draws of this
+    /// widget, which is the whole reason that draw exists -- see
+    /// `Widget::apply_scroll`.
+    content_lead: f32,
+    content_trail: f32,
+    /// Whether the last walk ran out of items before its leading /
+    /// trailing edge -- the structural half of `at_start`/`at_end`, and
+    /// what says whether `content_lead`/`content_trail` bound a scroll at
+    /// all. With more content past an edge there is no bound to give.
+    no_more_before: bool,
+    no_more_after: bool,
+    /// Accumulated content movement in [`Widget::apply_scroll`]'s
+    /// direction convention -- every `scroll` this span makes, including
+    /// the ones `overscroll_gap` gives back, so a `Scroll` above reads
+    /// what actually happened rather than adding up what it asked for.
+    /// See [`Widget::scroll_offset`] for why the remainder alone will not
+    /// do. Jumps (`jump_to_end`/`jump_to_start`) are deliberately not
+    /// counted: they are not travel across the content.
+    moved: f32,
 }
 
 impl LazySpan {
@@ -308,11 +320,13 @@ impl LazySpan {
             snap_end: at_end,
             viewport_len: 0.0,
             last_viewport_len: 0.0,
-            fling: Flinger::new(),
-            redraw: None,
-            density: 1.0,
             at_start: false,
             at_end: false,
+            content_lead: 0.0,
+            content_trail: 0.0,
+            no_more_before: false,
+            no_more_after: false,
+            moved: 0.0,
             pending_tap: None,
             extents: HashMap::default(),
             heights: HashMap::default(),
@@ -438,135 +452,30 @@ impl LazySpan {
         self.extents.clear();
     }
 
-    /// Move the anchor's edge by `amt` pixels. Positive moves later
-    /// content into view (mirrors `Scroll::scroll`'s sign convention).
-    /// Unclamped here, on purpose: it is one write, and there is nothing
-    /// at this point that knows where the content ends. The `draw` that
-    /// follows gives back whatever this moved past, in that same frame
-    /// ([`Self::overscroll_gap`]).
-    pub fn scroll(&mut self, amt: f32) {
+    /// Move the anchor's edge by `amt` pixels, where positive brings
+    /// **later** content into view.
+    ///
+    /// Private, and the opposite sign to [`Widget::apply_scroll`]'s
+    /// `delta`, which is the finger's direction (`Scroll::scroll`'s): the
+    /// anchor's offset says where the pinned edge *sits*, so moving the
+    /// content forward moves that number down. `apply_scroll` is the one
+    /// place that negates, so there is exactly one public convention for
+    /// a scroll delta in this crate rather than two that read alike and
+    /// mean opposite things -- which is what these two were before
+    /// `Scroll` took the position over.
+    ///
+    /// Unclamped here, on purpose: it is one write. `apply_scroll` does
+    /// the clamping, against walls the walk measured.
+    fn scroll(&mut self, amt: f32) {
         if let Some(a) = &mut self.anchor {
             a.offset -= amt;
+            // Negated into `apply_scroll`'s convention, which is the
+            // finger's -- this is the one place the two directions meet,
+            // and `moved` is what `Widget::scroll_offset` hands upward.
+            self.moved -= amt;
         }
     }
 
-    /// Give this list a way to ask for another frame on its own, so a
-    /// fling keeps animating without a caller polling it every tick --
-    /// see the `redraw` field's doc. Pass the same handle
-    /// `iris::task::Tasks::redraw_handle` hands a `spawn`ed task; a list
-    /// that never calls this can still `fling`, but has to be driven by a
-    /// caller-owned loop instead (`bench_client.rs`'s scripted phases do
-    /// exactly that, since they need to await settling rather than let it
-    /// run in the background).
-    pub fn set_redraw_handle(&mut self, handle: Arc<dyn RequestRedraw>) {
-        self.redraw = Some(handle);
-    }
-
-    /// Start a fling at `velocity_px_per_s` (this widget's own pixel
-    /// space, same sign convention as `scroll`'s `amt`: positive continues
-    /// moving later content into view). Cancels any fling already in
-    /// progress. A caller with a live touch/press must cancel this on the
-    /// next touch-down (`cancel_fling`) -- `AndroidFlingSpline`'s curve
-    /// has no idea a finger came back down, and Android's own `Scroller`
-    /// relies on the view calling `abortAnimation` for the same reason.
-    ///
-    /// The density handed to `FlingCalculator` is this list's own
-    /// (`self.density`, taken from the painter in `draw`), not `1.0`: it
-    /// does **not** cancel out of the spline -- see `FlingCalculator`'s
-    /// doc, which used to claim the opposite, and the 45-second coast that
-    /// claim produced.
-    ///
-    /// **Sets the fling; it does not drive it.** A fling moves only while
-    /// something calls [`Self::tick_fling`] once per frame, and what does
-    /// that in a running app is `UiData::tick_animations`, over the ids
-    /// `UiData::animate` was given. So a caller starting a fling from a
-    /// gesture registers the list in the same breath:
-    ///
-    /// ```ignore
-    /// list(ui).fling(-velocity);
-    /// let id = list.id();
-    /// ui.ui_mut().animate(id);
-    /// ```
-    ///
-    /// Split that way because the two halves have different owners: the
-    /// velocity is the list's business, and whether anything animates at
-    /// all is the frame loop's. Missing the second call is what a finger
-    /// fling did on Iris's phone for two builds -- the velocity was right
-    /// and nothing ever advanced it, which looks exactly like a list that
-    /// stops dead under the finger. A caller driving frames itself
-    /// (`bench_client.rs`'s fling phase, the headless tests) calls
-    /// `tick_fling` directly instead and does not register.
-    pub fn fling(&mut self, velocity_px_per_s: f32) {
-        // No anchor means this list has never drawn, so there is nothing
-        // to move: `Flinger` cannot know that and this does.
-        if self.anchor.is_none() {
-            self.fling.stop();
-            return;
-        }
-        self.fling.start(velocity_px_per_s, self.density);
-    }
-
-    /// Whether a fling is currently animating. What a caller's own
-    /// per-frame loop polls to know when to stop driving `tick_fling`
-    /// (`bench_client.rs`'s fling phase) or to decide whether the list is
-    /// "moving on its own" for any other purpose.
-    pub fn is_scrolling(&self) -> bool {
-        self.fling.is_flinging()
-    }
-
-    /// The velocity a fling in progress is coasting at, in this list's
-    /// own pixel space -- `None` when nothing is flinging. What a
-    /// release's decision looks like from the outside: a
-    /// `GestureOutcome::Released(Some(v))` is the only thing that puts a
-    /// value here, so a test (or a diagnostic) can read what the gesture
-    /// measured at the place it landed, rather than re-timing the
-    /// gesture itself.
-    pub fn fling_velocity(&self) -> Option<f32> {
-        self.fling.velocity()
-    }
-
-    /// Cancel any fling in progress with no further movement -- the next
-    /// touch-down's job, per `fling`'s own doc.
-    pub fn cancel_fling(&mut self) {
-        self.fling.stop();
-    }
-
-    /// Advance an in-flight fling to `now`, applying this call's share of
-    /// its total travel via `scroll` and re-arming this list's own redraw
-    /// handle (if it has one) for another frame. Returns whether the
-    /// fling is still going after this call -- `false` either because it
-    /// settled on its own spline-decided schedule or because it reached
-    /// `at_start`/`at_end` (the module doc's clamp: a fling must not carry
-    /// the list past content that does not exist, unlike an ordinary
-    /// touch-pan, which this widget already leaves unclamped by design).
-    ///
-    /// Safe to call even with no fling active (a no-op returning `false`),
-    /// so a caller does not need to check `is_scrolling` first.
-    pub fn tick_fling(&mut self, now: Instant) -> bool {
-        let Some(velocity) = self.fling.velocity() else {
-            return false;
-        };
-        let delta = self.fling.tick(now);
-        self.scroll(delta);
-
-        // Clamp: a fling moving toward the start that has already reached
-        // it (or one moving toward the end that has already reached that)
-        // stops rather than continuing to spend its remaining distance on
-        // a part of the list that will never scroll further. `at_start`/
-        // `at_end` are what the last draw found, which is the only thing
-        // here that knows where the content ends.
-        if (velocity < 0.0 && self.at_start) || (velocity > 0.0 && self.at_end) {
-            self.fling.stop();
-        }
-        if !self.fling.is_flinging() {
-            return false;
-        }
-        if let Some(redraw) = &self.redraw {
-            redraw.request_redraw();
-        }
-        true
-    }
-
     /// The anchor's own row index and pixel offset, formatted the same
     /// shape Compose's `firstVisibleItemIndex`/`firstVisibleItemScrollOffset`
     /// report (`idx=N/off=Mpx`) -- what RUST.md's "Benchmark v2" fling
@@ -956,6 +865,15 @@ impl LazySpan {
         // content" means everywhere else in this widget.
         self.at_start = self.prev_slot(idx_lead).is_none() && lead >= 0.0;
         self.at_end = self.next_slot(idx_trail).is_none() && trail <= self.viewport_len;
+        // The structural half of the same two questions, kept apart from
+        // `at_start`/`at_end` because they mean different things:
+        // "there is nothing loaded past this edge" is what bounds a
+        // scroll, while `at_start`/`at_end` add "and there is a gap to
+        // give back", which is what the overscroll clamp acts on.
+        self.no_more_before = self.prev_slot(idx_lead).is_none();
+        self.no_more_after = self.next_slot(idx_trail).is_none();
+        self.content_lead = lead;
+        self.content_trail = trail;
 
         // Both halves of `intersects_viewport`'s rule, checked where they
         // are cheap to check: what this pass put on screen is exactly what
@@ -1188,20 +1106,56 @@ impl LazySpan {
 const GENEROUS_PADDING: f32 = 100_000.0;
 
 impl Widget for LazySpan {
-    /// A `LazySpan` animates exactly one thing, a fling
-    /// ([`Self::tick_fling`]). The registration that makes this run is
-    /// `UiData::animate` beside the `fling` call -- see `fling`'s own doc.
-    fn tick(&mut self, now: Instant) -> bool {
-        self.tick_fling(now)
+    /// A lazy layout cannot be slid about as a lump: which rows exist at
+    /// all is a function of where it is scrolled to, and it has no content
+    /// length to hand its parent to clamp against, since it has never
+    /// measured the rows it has not drawn. So it takes the delta itself.
+    /// See [`Widget::scrolls_itself`].
+    fn scrolls_itself(&self) -> bool {
+        true
+    }
+
+    fn scroll_offset(&self) -> f32 {
+        self.moved
+    }
+
+    /// Take what the loaded content allows and leave the rest, so the
+    /// `Scroll` above learns it hit a wall from what comes back.
+    ///
+    /// `delta` arrives in the finger's direction (positive brings
+    /// *earlier* content into view) and the anchor's offset runs the other
+    /// way, which is the one negation in this widget -- see
+    /// [`Self::scroll`].
+    ///
+    /// **The bound is exact, not a "we are at the wall" flag.** With no
+    /// more content past an edge, the travel left in that direction is the
+    /// distance from the edge the last walk placed to the viewport's own,
+    /// so a delta that runs 250px past the end gives 250 back rather than
+    /// everything or nothing. That is what lets `Scroll::amt` stay equal
+    /// to what is actually on screen instead of drifting by every
+    /// overshoot. The walls come from the walk `Scroll::draw` runs
+    /// immediately before this.
+    fn apply_scroll(&mut self, delta: &mut f32) {
+        // `f32::INFINITY` rather than a big number or an `Option`: with
+        // content past this edge there is genuinely no bound to apply, and
+        // `clamp` says exactly that with no branch of its own.
+        let max_forward = if self.no_more_after {
+            (self.content_trail - self.viewport_len).max(0.0)
+        } else {
+            f32::INFINITY
+        };
+        let max_backward = if self.no_more_before {
+            (-self.content_lead).max(0.0)
+        } else {
+            f32::INFINITY
+        };
+        let taken = (-*delta).clamp(-max_backward, max_forward);
+        self.scroll(taken);
+        *delta += taken;
     }
 
     fn draw(&mut self, painter: &mut Painter) -> Size {
         let axis = self.dir.axis;
-        // Learned from the frame rather than passed in: a fling's
-        // deceleration is a physical quantity and needs the real display
-        // density, and `draw` is where this widget meets the only thing
-        // that knows it. See `fling`.
-        self.density = painter.density();
         // A row that straddles either edge is drawn in full
         // (`intersects_viewport`), so the part of it outside this list's
         // box is on screen unless something clips it -- and with nothing
@@ -1277,6 +1231,27 @@ impl Widget for LazySpan {
 #[cfg(test)]
 mod tests {
     use super::*;
+    use std::time::Instant;
+
+    /// Every row in `build_flingable_list` is this tall, which is what
+    /// makes `scroll_position` exact.
+    const FLING_ROW_H: f32 = 20.0;
+
+    /// How far a `build_flingable_list` span has scrolled from its very
+    /// first row, in pixels: read off the leading row on screen, whose
+    /// content position is exactly `slot * FLING_ROW_H` because every row
+    /// there is that tall. Measures where the content actually sits rather
+    /// than any bookkeeping about it, and unlike a single row's extent it
+    /// stays defined however far the list travels -- `extents` holds only
+    /// what is on screen (`LazySpan::intersects_viewport`).
+    fn scroll_position(list: &LazySpan) -> f32 {
+        let first = list
+            .extents
+            .values()
+            .min_by(|a, b| a.lead.total_cmp(&b.lead))
+            .expect("something is on screen");
+        first.slot as f32 * FLING_ROW_H - first.lead
+    }
 
     struct TestRsc {
         ui: UiData,
@@ -2070,273 +2045,247 @@ mod tests {
     }
 
     /// Enough rows, tall enough, that a fling toward the start has real
-    /// room to travel before `at_start` clamps it -- shared by the fling
-    /// tests below.
-    /// How far a `build_flingable_list` list has scrolled from its very
-    /// first row, in pixels: read off the topmost row on screen, whose
-    /// content position is exactly `slot * ROW_H` because every row there
-    /// is that tall. Measures the list's own accumulated movement (the
-    /// thing `scroll`/`tick_fling` write) rather than the spline's
-    /// bookkeeping, and unlike a single row's extent it stays defined
-    /// however far the list travels -- `extents` holds only what is
-    /// on screen (`LazySpan::intersects_viewport`).
-    fn scroll_position(list: &LazySpan) -> f32 {
-        let top = list
-            .extents
-            .values()
-            .min_by(|a, b| a.lead.total_cmp(&b.lead))
-            .expect("something is on screen");
-        top.slot as f32 * FLING_ROW_H - top.lead
-    }
-
-    const FLING_ROW_H: f32 = 20.0;
-
+    /// room to travel before the walls stop it -- shared by the tests
+    /// below.
+    ///
+    /// Built the way a real caller does since the scroll position moved
+    /// out of this widget: `Masked(Scroll(LazySpan))`. The `Scroll`
+    /// contributes the gesture, the fling and `amt`; the `LazySpan` lays
+    /// out and says how far it can actually go
+    /// (`Widget::apply_scroll`). The mask is outside the `Scroll` because
+    /// what needs clipping is the row straddling an edge, and masks are
+    /// inherited down the chain.
     fn build_flingable_list(
         rsc: &mut TestRsc,
-    ) -> (WeakWidget<LazySpan>, StrongWidget, UiRenderState) {
+    ) -> (
+        WeakWidget<LazySpan>,
+        WeakWidget<Scroll>,
+        StrongWidget,
+        UiRenderState,
+    ) {
         let mut list = LazySpan::new(Dir::DOWN, true);
         push_rows(rsc, &mut list, &(0..200).collect::<Vec<_>>(), FLING_ROW_H);
-        let (list_weak, root) = add_list(rsc, list);
+        let list = rsc.ui.widgets.add_strong(list);
+        let list_weak = list.weak();
+        let scroll = rsc
+            .ui
+            .widgets
+            .add_strong(Scroll::new(list.any(), Axis::Y, true));
+        let scroll_weak = scroll.weak();
+        let root = rsc.ui.widgets.add_strong(Masked {
+            shape: None,
+            inner: scroll.any(),
+        });
+        let root = root.any();
         let mut render = UiRenderState::new();
         render.resize((100.0, 600.0));
         render.update(&root, rsc);
-        (list_weak, root, render)
+        (list_weak, scroll_weak, root, render)
+    }
+
+    /// Drive one frame of a fling: tick the `Scroll` the way
+    /// `UiData::tick_animations` does, then draw. Answers whether the
+    /// fling is still going.
+    fn fling_frame(
+        rsc: &mut TestRsc,
+        scroll: &WeakWidget<Scroll>,
+        root: &StrongWidget,
+        render: &mut UiRenderState,
+        now: Instant,
+    ) -> bool {
+        let still = rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(scroll).unwrap().tick(now);
+        render.update(root, rsc);
+        still
     }
 
     #[test]
-    fn fling_moves_the_list_and_then_settles() {
+    fn a_fling_moves_the_list_and_then_settles() {
         let mut rsc = TestRsc {
             ui: UiData::default(),
         };
-        let (list_weak, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
+        let (list_weak, scroll, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
 
-        // A fling toward the start: negative velocity, matching `scroll`'s
-        // sign convention (`Selection::drag` calls `scroll(-dy)` for a
-        // downward finger motion revealing older content).
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().fling(-8000.0);
-        assert!(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap().is_scrolling());
+        // Toward the start: **positive**, which is the finger's direction
+        // and `Scroll::scroll`'s convention -- the one convention a delta
+        // has anywhere in the crate now. It used to be negative here,
+        // because a `LazySpan`'s anchor offset ran the opposite way to a
+        // `Scroll`'s `amt` while both were public and both claimed to
+        // mirror the other.
+        assert!(rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().fling(8000.0));
+        assert!(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&scroll).unwrap().is_scrolling());
 
         let start = Instant::now();
-        let mut last_still_scrolling = true;
+        let mut still = true;
         for step in 0..600 {
             let now = start + std::time::Duration::from_millis(step * 16);
-            last_still_scrolling = rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().tick_fling(now);
-            render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-            if !last_still_scrolling {
+            still = fling_frame(&mut rsc, &scroll, &root, &mut render, now);
+            if !still {
                 break;
             }
         }
+        assert!(!still, "fling never settled within 600 steps");
+        assert!(!rsc.ui.widgets.get(&scroll).unwrap().is_scrolling());
         assert!(
-            !last_still_scrolling,
-            "fling never settled within 600 steps"
+            scroll_position(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap()) < 200.0 * FLING_ROW_H,
+            "a fling toward the start should have moved the list back through its rows"
         );
-        assert!(!rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap().is_scrolling());
     }
 
-    /// The half `fling` itself does not do: a registered list is advanced
-    /// by the frame loop's own driver, and unregisters itself when the
-    /// fling settles. Written against `UiData::tick_animations` rather
-    /// than `tick_fling` because the defect it pins is exactly the gap
-    /// between the two -- a fling with a correct velocity that nothing
-    /// ever advanced, which is what a finger fling did on the phone.
+    /// The registration half, which is the frame loop's rather than the
+    /// widget's: a fling that nothing registers never moves, however right
+    /// its velocity is -- which is exactly what a finger fling did on
+    /// Iris's phone for two builds.
     #[test]
     fn a_registered_fling_is_driven_by_tick_animations_and_then_unregisters() {
         let mut rsc = TestRsc {
             ui: UiData::default(),
         };
-        let (list_weak, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
-        let before = rsc
-            .ui
-            .widgets
-            .get(&list_weak)
-            .unwrap()
-            .anchor_position_display();
+        let (list_weak, scroll, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
+        let before = scroll_position(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap());
 
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().fling(-8000.0);
-        rsc.ui.animate(list_weak.id());
+        if rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().fling(8000.0) {
+            let id = scroll.id();
+            rsc.ui.animate(id);
+        }
 
         let start = Instant::now();
-        let mut animating = true;
         let mut steps = 0;
+        let mut animating = true;
         while animating && steps < 600 {
-            animating = rsc
-                .ui
-                .tick_animations(start + std::time::Duration::from_millis(steps * 16));
+            let now = start + std::time::Duration::from_millis(steps * 16);
+            animating = rsc.ui.tick_animations(now);
             render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
             steps += 1;
         }
         assert!(!animating, "the driver never stopped within 600 frames");
         assert!(steps > 1, "the fling settled without ever moving");
-        assert!(!rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap().is_scrolling());
         assert_ne!(
+            scroll_position(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap()),
             before,
-            rsc.ui
-                .widgets
-                .get(&list_weak)
-                .unwrap()
-                .anchor_position_display(),
-            "the list is where it started -- the fling was registered but never applied"
+            "the fling was registered but never applied"
         );
-        // Nothing left registered, so the next frame costs nothing: the
-        // path out of `animate` is the `false` answer, not a caller
-        // remembering to remove it.
-        assert!(!rsc.ui.tick_animations(start));
+
+        // Nothing left registered, so the next frame costs nothing.
+        let now = start + std::time::Duration::from_millis(steps * 16);
+        assert!(!rsc.ui.tick_animations(now));
     }
 
+    /// The sign, pinned across the whole handoff: gesture -> `Scroll` ->
+    /// `apply_scroll` -> anchor. A negative delta is the finger moving the
+    /// negative way along the axis, which pulls **later** content up into
+    /// view. Getting this wrong anywhere in that chain scrolls the list
+    /// backwards, which no type can catch.
     #[test]
-    fn fling_distance_is_positive_toward_the_end() {
+    fn a_negative_delta_moves_toward_the_end() {
         let mut rsc = TestRsc {
             ui: UiData::default(),
         };
-        let (list_weak, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
-        // Start scrolled away from the newest end so there is room for an
-        // end-ward fling to actually move.
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().jump_to_start();
+        let (list_weak, scroll, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
+        // Start well back from the end so there is room to move forward.
+        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().scroll(2000.0);
         render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-        let before = rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap().extents[&0];
+        let before = scroll_position(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap());
 
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().fling(8000.0);
+        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().scroll(-500.0);
+        render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
+        let after = scroll_position(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap());
+        assert!(
+            after > before,
+            "a negative delta should move toward the end: {before} -> {after}"
+        );
+        assert!(
+            (after - before - 500.0).abs() < 0.5,
+            "and by exactly what was asked for, away from a wall: {before} -> {after}"
+        );
+    }
+
+    /// `Scroll::amt` is the accumulated movement the child actually made,
+    /// so it stays equal to what is on screen even when a delta runs off
+    /// the end of the content. This is the whole reason `apply_scroll`
+    /// hands back a remainder rather than a "hit a wall" flag: an
+    /// all-or-nothing answer would leave `amt` over-counted by every
+    /// overshoot, and nothing would ever correct it.
+    #[test]
+    fn amt_counts_only_what_the_child_could_take() {
+        let mut rsc = TestRsc {
+            ui: UiData::default(),
+        };
+        let (_list, scroll, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
+        // A short move away from the end, all of which is available.
+        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().scroll(100.0);
+        render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
+        assert!(
+            (rsc.ui.widgets.get(&scroll).unwrap().amt() + 100.0).abs() < 0.5,
+            "amt counts forward through the content, so 100px back is -100: {}",
+            rsc.ui.widgets.get(&scroll).unwrap().amt()
+        );
+
+        // 200 rows of 20px in a 600px viewport: 3400px of travel in all,
+        // so this asks for far more than is left and must be given only
+        // what there was.
+        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().scroll(100_000.0);
+        render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
+        let amt = rsc.ui.widgets.get(&scroll).unwrap().amt();
+        assert!(
+            (amt + 3400.0).abs() < 0.5,
+            "amt should equal the content's real travel, not what was asked for: {amt}"
+        );
+    }
+
+    /// A fling stops when the child says it could not take the delta,
+    /// rather than spending its remaining distance on content that is not
+    /// there. Before the clamp existed, a hard fling to the top of the
+    /// bench fixture left the first row 1398px below a 600px viewport --
+    /// the whole screen blank -- and it stayed there.
+    #[test]
+    fn a_fling_stops_at_the_first_row() {
+        let mut rsc = TestRsc {
+            ui: UiData::default(),
+        };
+        let (list_weak, scroll, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
+        // An enormous velocity that would travel far past all 200 rows if
+        // unclamped.
+        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().fling(50_000.0);
         let start = Instant::now();
-        for step in 0..600 {
+        for step in 0..2000 {
             let now = start + std::time::Duration::from_millis(step * 16);
-            let still = rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().tick_fling(now);
-            render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-            if !still {
+            if !fling_frame(&mut rsc, &scroll, &root, &mut render, now) {
                 break;
             }
         }
+        // No settling frame: the draw that runs out of content gives the
+        // pixels back inside that same frame, so the last frame the loop
+        // drew is already flush with the top.
         let list_ref = rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap();
-        // Row 0 either scrolled out of the loaded extents (flung well past
-        // it) or moved upward (smaller top) -- either way, real motion
-        // happened toward the end rather than staying put.
-        if let Some(after) = list_ref.extents.get(&0) {
-            assert!(
-                after.lead < before.lead,
-                "fling toward the end did not move content up"
-            );
-        }
-    }
-
-    /// `fling_moves_the_list_and_then_settles`/
-    /// `fling_distance_is_positive_toward_the_end` only check that a fling
-    /// started, moved the right way and eventually stopped -- both
-    /// unaffected by *how* the interior ticks split up the total travel
-    /// (docs/REVIEW-2026-09-06.md finding 9). A regression that made
-    /// `tick_fling` apply the whole spline distance every tick instead of
-    /// just this tick's incremental slice would still pass both, while
-    /// being wildly wrong every intermediate frame -- this pins the
-    /// per-tick delta to a decelerating curve (`FlingCalculator::
-    /// position_at`'s own monotonic-and-clamped property, one level
-    /// down, already covers the calculator alone; this is the same
-    /// property through `LazySpan::tick_fling`'s `scroll`/`extents`
-    /// accumulation).
-    #[test]
-    fn tick_fling_applies_shrinking_incremental_deltas() {
-        let mut rsc = TestRsc {
-            ui: UiData::default(),
-        };
-        let (list_weak, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().jump_to_start();
-        render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().fling(8000.0);
-        let start = Instant::now();
-        let mut prev = scroll_position(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap());
-        let mut deltas = Vec::new();
-        for step in 1..600 {
-            let now = start + std::time::Duration::from_millis(step * 16);
-            let still = rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().tick_fling(now);
-            render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-            let at = scroll_position(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap());
-            deltas.push((at - prev).abs());
-            prev = at;
-            if !still {
-                break;
-            }
-        }
+        assert!(list_ref.at_start, "the fling should have reached the start");
+        // Both edges, so neither an overshoot past the top nor one left
+        // uncorrected can pass. `extents` used to hold every row the walk
+        // placed, on screen or not, so this read was once satisfied by a
+        // first row sitting 1398px *below* the viewport with the whole
+        // screen blank.
+        let first = list_ref.extents[&0];
         assert!(
-            deltas.len() >= 3,
-            "fling settled before collecting enough samples"
-        );
-        // Skip the first tick (the slop-transition jump the arbiter
-        // applies is a `LazySpan::fling`-adjacent concern, not this curve,
-        // but the very first frame can still carry rounding noise from
-        // `jump_to_start`'s own layout settling).
-        for w in deltas[1..].windows(2) {
-            assert!(
-                w[1] <= w[0] + 0.01,
-                "fling's per-tick delta grew instead of decelerating: {:?} then {:?}",
-                w[0],
-                w[1]
-            );
-        }
-        // Non-increasing is not deceleration: a fling that coasts at a
-        // constant speed and then stops dead satisfies every `<=` above,
-        // and that is exactly what iris shipped until 2026-09-07
-        // (`android_fling_spline`'s doc). Over the samples collected here
-        // -- the earliest part of the curve, since row 0 leaves the loaded
-        // extents soon after -- AOSP's spline has already lost more than
-        // a fifth of its speed.
-        let (first, last) = (deltas[1], *deltas.last().unwrap());
-        assert!(
-            last < first * 0.8,
-            "fling barely slowed across {} ticks: {first} -> {last}",
-            deltas.len()
+            first.lead.abs() < 0.5,
+            "a fling stopped at the start must leave the first row flush with the top, not {}px \
+             from it",
+            first.lead
         );
     }
 
+    /// Asking for more travel than the content has leaves it *on* its
+    /// first row rather than beyond it, in the frame that asked. Since the
+    /// position moved into `Scroll`, this is prevented at the source --
+    /// `apply_scroll` only takes what the walk says is there -- rather
+    /// than corrected afterwards, and `overscroll_gap` is left for the
+    /// case a scroll cannot cause: content or a viewport that changed
+    /// under a settled anchor.
     #[test]
-    fn cancel_fling_stops_it_with_no_further_movement() {
+    fn scrolling_past_the_start_lands_on_it_in_the_same_frame() {
         let mut rsc = TestRsc {
             ui: UiData::default(),
         };
-        let (list_weak, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().fling(-8000.0);
-        let start = Instant::now();
-        rsc.ui
-            .widgets
-            .get_mut(&list_weak)
-            .unwrap()
-            .tick_fling(start + std::time::Duration::from_millis(16));
-        render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-        assert!(rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap().is_scrolling());
-
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().cancel_fling();
-        assert!(!rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap().is_scrolling());
-
-        let before = rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap().extents[&199];
-        // A tick after cancelling must be a no-op -- this is what a fresh
-        // touch-down relies on to stop a fling in its tracks.
-        let still = rsc
-            .ui
-            .widgets
-            .get_mut(&list_weak)
-            .unwrap()
-            .tick_fling(start + std::time::Duration::from_millis(200));
-        render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-        assert!(!still);
-        let after = rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap().extents[&199];
-        assert_eq!((before.lead, before.trail), (after.lead, after.trail));
-    }
-
-    /// The clamp on the frame that discovers it, for an ordinary
-    /// `scroll` rather than a fling: one `update` after moving 100,000px
-    /// past the first row, and the list is already flush with the top.
-    /// The old code left that frame drawn with the whole screen blank and
-    /// snapped back on the next one, so this fails on it -- it draws no
-    /// settling frame on purpose (the same shape as
-    /// `phone_screen.rs`'s composer test).
-    #[test]
-    fn scrolling_past_the_start_is_given_back_in_the_same_frame() {
-        let mut rsc = TestRsc {
-            ui: UiData::default(),
-        };
-        let (list_weak, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
-        rsc.ui
-            .widgets
-            .get_mut(&list_weak)
-            .unwrap()
-            .scroll(-100_000.0);
+        let (list_weak, scroll, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
+        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&scroll).unwrap().scroll(100_000.0);
         render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
         let list_ref = rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap();
         let first = list_ref.extents[&0];
@@ -2347,50 +2296,6 @@ mod tests {
         );
     }
 
-    #[test]
-    fn fling_toward_the_start_stops_at_the_first_row() {
-        let mut rsc = TestRsc {
-            ui: UiData::default(),
-        };
-        let (list_weak, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
-        // An enormous velocity that would travel far past all 200 rows if
-        // unclamped -- this is exactly what IRIS_TODO.md's "way faster...
-        // better for stress testing" fling asks for.
-        rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().fling(-50_000.0);
-        let start = Instant::now();
-        for step in 0..2000 {
-            let now = start + std::time::Duration::from_millis(step * 16);
-            let still = rsc.ui.widgets.get_mut(&list_weak).unwrap().tick_fling(now);
-            render.update(&root, &mut rsc);
-            if !still {
-                break;
-            }
-        }
-        // No settling frame: the draw that discovers the fling ran past
-        // the first row gives those pixels back inside that same frame
-        // (`overscroll_gap`), so the last frame the loop above drew is
-        // already flush with the top. Drawing one more here would hide a
-        // regression to the old next-frame correction.
-        let list_ref = rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap();
-        assert!(
-            list_ref.at_start,
-            "fling should have clamped at the first row"
-        );
-        // Not `>= -0.5`: `extents` used to hold every row the walk placed,
-        // on screen or not, so that read was satisfied by a first row
-        // sitting *1398px below* a 600px viewport with the whole screen
-        // blank -- the assertion could not fail in the direction the bug
-        // actually went. Both edges, so neither an overshoot past the top
-        // nor one left uncorrected can pass.
-        let first = list_ref.extents[&0];
-        assert!(
-            first.lead.abs() < 0.5,
-            "a fling stopped at the start must leave the first row flush with the top, not {}px \
-             from it",
-            first.lead
-        );
-    }
-
     #[test]
     fn anchor_position_display_before_any_draw_is_none() {
         let list = LazySpan::new(Dir::DOWN, true);
@@ -2402,7 +2307,7 @@ mod tests {
         let mut rsc = TestRsc {
             ui: UiData::default(),
         };
-        let (list_weak, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
+        let (list_weak, _scroll, root, mut render) = build_flingable_list(&mut rsc);
         let _ = (&root, &mut render);
         let list_ref = rsc.ui.widgets.get(&list_weak).unwrap();
         assert!(list_ref.anchor_position_display().starts_with("idx="));
diff --git a/iris/src/widget/position/scroll.rs b/iris/src/widget/position/scroll.rs
index 04b4401..9608e5e 100644
--- a/iris/src/widget/position/scroll.rs
+++ b/iris/src/widget/position/scroll.rs
@@ -20,6 +20,27 @@ pub struct Scroll {
     /// therefore opened at the end of its longest line, mid-word
     /// (`iris/run-headless.sh phone`, 2026-09-08).
     content_len: Option<f32>,
+    /// A scroll delta this area has been handed but not yet passed to a
+    /// child that positions itself ([`Widget::scrolls_itself`]) -- how
+    /// far a wheel, a drag or a fling asked to move since the last draw.
+    /// Applied and cleared in `draw`, which is the only place the child's
+    /// walls are known.
+    ///
+    /// Nothing accumulates here for an ordinary child, whose position is
+    /// this widget's own `amt` and is written the moment a delta arrives.
+    pending: f32,
+    /// Whether the last draw handed a self-positioning child more than it
+    /// could take -- the only way this widget learns where that child's
+    /// content ends, since it has no length to ask for. Reset every time a
+    /// delta is fully consumed.
+    hit_wall: bool,
+    /// Whether the child positions itself, from its own
+    /// [`Widget::scrolls_itself`], re-read every draw. Cached because it
+    /// is asked once per scroll delta as well as once per draw, and it is
+    /// read through `get_dyn` -- taking `&mut` to ask would mark every
+    /// ordinary child dirty on every tick and cost exactly the O(1) move
+    /// this widget exists for.
+    child_scrolls: bool,
     /// Touch panning, from the same `DragGesture` `LazySpan` is driven by
     /// (`transcript-ui::Selection::drag`) rather than a second copy of its
     /// wiring: arbitration, `DRAG_SLOP` and pointer capture all live in
@@ -50,42 +71,32 @@ impl Widget for Scroll {
         let delta = self.fling.tick(now);
         self.scroll(delta);
         // A fling must not keep spending its distance on content that is
-        // not there. Unlike `LazySpan`, this widget knows exactly where its
-        // content ends -- `update_amt` has just clamped `amt` into it --
-        // so the wall is read after the move rather than from what the
-        // last draw found.
-        if self.amt <= 0.0 || self.amt >= self.scroll_range() {
+        // not there. With an ordinary child this widget knows exactly
+        // where the content ends -- `update_amt` has just clamped `amt`
+        // into it -- so the wall is read straight off `amt`. With a child
+        // that positions itself there is no content length to read, and
+        // the wall arrives instead as the part of a delta the child could
+        // not take (`hit_wall`, set in `draw`); it is one frame old, which
+        // costs a fling one extra tick and nothing on screen, since the
+        // child clamped its own position within the frame that found it.
+        let at_wall = if self.child_scrolls {
+            self.hit_wall
+        } else {
+            self.amt <= 0.0 || self.amt >= self.scroll_range()
+        };
+        if at_wall {
             self.fling.stop();
         }
         self.fling.is_flinging()
     }
 
     fn draw(&mut self, painter: &mut Painter) -> Size {
-        // The region offered to the child is sized using *last* frame's
-        // content length, not a fresh measurement -- deliberately, so that
-        // an ordinary scroll tick (`amt` changes, content does not) offers
-        // the child the exact same size it was last drawn with, only
-        // shifted. That is what lets `draw_inner` dispatch this as an O(1)
-        // move (LAYOUT.md section 2) instead of a redraw: sizing the region
-        // to a *fresh* measurement would require drawing the child first to
-        // learn it, and a provisional draw almost never matches the
-        // previously active size, forcing a real redraw on every tick. A
-        // genuine content-size change (not just a scroll) therefore lags
-        // one frame before the container's clamp reflects it; the content
-        // length itself (read below from what was actually drawn) is never
-        // stale, so this self-corrects the next frame and never leaves the
-        // scroll range wrong for long. See LAYOUT.md section 4.
-        //
         // Every length here is resolved against the box this widget was
         // **offered** (`px_size`), never `output_size`: a `Scroll` is
         // routinely smaller than the window -- the composer's field is
         // capped at six lines by a `MaxSize` around it -- and measuring
         // the window instead would make the pan range, and so where the
         // content sits, a function of the screen rather than of the box.
-        // (What the previous arithmetic here computed came to the same
-        // number by a longer route, through a `within_len` against a
-        // window-relative scalar; it read as if the window were the
-        // container and cost a session working out that it was not.)
         let axis = self.axis;
         let container_len = painter.px_size().axis(axis);
         self.container_len = container_len;
@@ -94,45 +105,56 @@ impl Widget for Scroll {
         // density, and `draw` is where this widget meets the only thing
         // that knows it.
         self.density = painter.density();
-        let density = self.density;
+        let was_known = self.child_scrolls;
+        self.child_scrolls = painter.scrolls_itself(&self.inner);
+        // A delta that arrived before this widget had ever drawn went to
+        // `amt` (the ordinary child's path), because what kind of child
+        // this is cannot be asked until there is a painter to ask through.
+        // Hand it on rather than dropping it: `amt` means nothing to a
+        // self-positioning child, so the delta would simply never happen.
+        if self.child_scrolls && !was_known && self.amt != 0.0 {
+            self.pending -= self.amt;
+            self.amt = 0.0;
+        }
+        if self.child_scrolls {
+            self.draw_self_scrolling_child(painter)
+        } else {
+            self.draw_moved_child(painter, container_len)
+        }
+    }
+}
 
-        // **The child's box along this axis is its own length**, not the
-        // container's -- that is what a scroll viewport means, and it is
-        // why the offset is the only thing that moves. A length is not
-        // knowable without drawing (LAYOUT.md section 5), so this draws
-        // the child once to measure it and once to place it, the same
-        // measure-then-place idiom `Span::draw` and `LazySpan::place`
-        // already use. Written out rather than through
-        // `Painter::draw_twice`, which cannot take a closure needing
-        // `&mut self` while `self.inner` is borrowed.
-        //
-        // **Both draws are in this frame, and only the second one
-        // decides anything.** The first is handed last frame's length as
-        // a *hint* -- nothing about where the child ends up depends on
-        // it, and it exists only so that the usual case, where the
-        // content's length did not change, offers the same region twice:
-        // `draw_inner` then makes the first call an O(1) `mov` and
-        // returns at the first line of the second. A frame on which the
-        // content did grow or shrink pays one real extra draw, and that
-        // is a frame on which the content was being redrawn anyway.
-        //
-        // The alternative -- place against the hint and let the next
-        // frame fix it -- is what Iris found on her phone (2026-09-08):
-        // every newline typed into the composer drew the field in a box
-        // one line short of its text, and since that text is centred in
-        // its box it hung half a line past each end, putting the caret a
-        // whole 12dp below the bar's inside edge and flush with its
-        // bottom. There was no next frame: nothing dirtied that subtree
-        // again, so the stale placement was the last one drawn, until
-        // the keyboard closed and its inset rewrite forced a redraw ("it
-        // fixes itself"). **Layout is a pure function of the state, not
-        // of how many frames have been drawn** (Iris, 2026-09-08) -- a
-        // correction that needs a second frame is a frame drawn wrong.
-        //
-        // The container's own length stands in as the hint until
-        // anything has been measured: a zero-length region on the first
-        // frame would place the child's primitives against a box of no
-        // size.
+impl Scroll {
+    /// The ordinary case: the child is a fixed lump this widget slides
+    /// about, and its position is `amt`.
+    ///
+    /// **The child is drawn twice, and only the second decides anything.**
+    /// The first is handed last frame's length as a *hint* -- nothing
+    /// about where the child ends up depends on it, and it exists only so
+    /// that the usual case, where the content's length did not change,
+    /// offers the same region twice: `draw_inner` then makes the first
+    /// call an O(1) `mov` and returns at the first line of the second. A
+    /// frame on which the content did grow or shrink pays one real extra
+    /// draw, and that is a frame on which the content was being redrawn
+    /// anyway.
+    ///
+    /// The alternative -- place against the hint and let the next frame
+    /// fix it -- is what Iris found on her phone (2026-09-08): every
+    /// newline typed into the composer drew the field in a box one line
+    /// short of its text, and since that text is centred in its box it
+    /// hung half a line past each end. There was no next frame: nothing
+    /// dirtied that subtree again, so the stale placement was the last one
+    /// drawn, until the keyboard closed and its inset rewrite forced a
+    /// redraw ("it fixes itself"). **Layout is a pure function of the
+    /// state, not of how many frames have been drawn** (Iris, 2026-09-08)
+    /// -- a correction that needs a second frame is a frame drawn wrong.
+    ///
+    /// The container's own length stands in as the hint until anything has
+    /// been measured: a zero-length region on the first frame would place
+    /// the child's primitives against a box of no size.
+    fn draw_moved_child(&mut self, painter: &mut Painter, container_len: f32) -> Size {
+        let axis = self.axis;
+        let density = self.density;
         let hint = self.content_len.unwrap_or(container_len);
         let used = painter.widget_within(&self.inner, self.child_region(hint));
 
@@ -153,21 +175,82 @@ impl Widget for Scroll {
             self.amt = measured - container_len;
         }
         self.update_amt();
-        let used = painter.widget_within(&self.inner, self.child_region(measured));
 
         // The **content's** size, not the container's. A parent that can
         // grow (the composer's bar) should hug the text until its own cap
         // stops it, and reporting the container instead would make this
         // widget's answer a function of the answer -- the bar is sized
-        // from what is reported here, so it collapses to nothing and
-        // never recovers. What keeps the content inside the offered box
-        // is the mask a caller puts around it (`.scrollable().masked()`),
-        // not this number.
+        // from what is reported here, so it collapses to nothing and never
+        // recovers. What keeps the content inside the offered box is the
+        // mask a caller puts around it (`.scrollable().masked()`), not
+        // this number.
+        painter.widget_within(&self.inner, self.child_region(measured))
+    }
+
+    /// The lazy case: the child positions its own content
+    /// ([`Widget::scrolls_itself`]), so this widget contributes the
+    /// gesture, the fling and the accounting, and the child contributes
+    /// the placement.
+    ///
+    /// Measure, apply, place -- the same measure-then-place idiom
+    /// [`Self::draw_moved_child`] and `LazySpan::place` use, for the same
+    /// reason: the child cannot say how much of a delta it can take until
+    /// it has laid out, and a correction that waits for the next frame is
+    /// a frame drawn wrong.
+    ///
+    /// **The measuring draw is free in the common case.** It offers the
+    /// child the same box as last frame, so with nothing dirty
+    /// `draw_inner` returns immediately and the walls the child answers
+    /// against are the ones it last measured -- still correct, because
+    /// nothing changed. When the content *did* change the child is dirty,
+    /// really walks, and the walls are fresh, which is exactly when they
+    /// need to be.
+    ///
+    /// **Nothing marks the child by hand.** Reaching it through
+    /// `get_dyn_mut` to hand it the delta is itself what dirties it
+    /// (`Widgets::get_dyn_mut`), so the placing draw below really draws
+    /// rather than taking `draw_inner`'s unchanged-region skip.
+    fn draw_self_scrolling_child(&mut self, painter: &mut Painter) -> Size {
+        painter.widget_within(&self.inner, UiRegion::FULL);
+
+        let requested = std::mem::take(&mut self.pending);
+        let mut left = requested;
+        if requested != 0.0 {
+            painter.apply_scroll(&self.inner, &mut left);
+        }
+
+        let used = painter.widget_within(&self.inner, UiRegion::FULL);
+
+        // Read *after* the child has been placed, because that is the
+        // draw that finds the end of the content: a child that could not
+        // see its wall yet took the whole delta above and gave part of it
+        // back while walking. `amt` is therefore the movement that
+        // actually happened, not the movement that was asked for -- see
+        // `Widget::scroll_offset`.
+        //
+        // Deliberately **not** a distance from the start of the content:
+        // paging rows in above moves that origin and the child cannot say
+        // by how much, never having measured them. It is honest for what
+        // it is used for -- "how far has this moved", a fling's wall --
+        // and anything wanting an absolute position (a scrollbar) needs a
+        // real content length first.
+        // Negated: `scroll_offset` is in the finger's direction while
+        // `amt` counts *forward through the content*, so that `amt` means
+        // the same thing and moves the same way whichever kind of child
+        // this is. What differs, unavoidably, is the origin -- an ordinary
+        // child's `amt` is measured from the start of its content, and a
+        // lazy child has no start to measure from, so its `amt` is
+        // movement from wherever it happened to be when this area was
+        // built. Direction is comparable; absolute value is not.
+        let moved = -painter.scroll_offset(&self.inner);
+        // A delta that came back short, or one the child took and then
+        // gave part of back, is this widget's only way of hearing that the
+        // content ran out.
+        self.hit_wall = requested != 0.0 && (moved - self.amt + requested).abs() > 0.5;
+        self.amt = moved;
         used
     }
-}
 
-impl Scroll {
     /// `at_end` starts the area pinned to the end of its content and
     /// keeps it there while the content grows -- see
     /// `WidgetLike::scrollable_to_end`. `false` starts at the beginning,
@@ -180,6 +263,9 @@ impl Scroll {
             snap_end: at_end,
             container_len: 0.0,
             content_len: None,
+            pending: 0.0,
+            hit_wall: false,
+            child_scrolls: false,
             gesture: DragGesture::on(axis),
             fling: Flinger::new(),
             density: 1.0,
@@ -235,14 +321,13 @@ impl Scroll {
             .gesture
             .handle(pointer, id, sense, pos_window, now, press)
         {
-            // `scroll(dy)`, not `scroll(-dy)` -- `Selection::drag` passes
-            // `-dy` to `LazySpan::scroll` because a `LazySpan`'s anchor offset and
-            // this widget's `amt` run in *opposite* directions (offset is
-            // where the anchored edge sits; `amt` is how far the content
-            // has been pulled up past the top), even though `LazySpan::scroll`'s
-            // own doc claims to mirror this one's convention. The rule that
-            // holds for both, and the one to check a sign against, is that
-            // the content follows the finger.
+            // The content follows the finger: `dy` straight through, and
+            // the same `dy` a transcript's own arbiter (`Selection::drag`)
+            // hands to this same method. There used to be two conventions
+            // here -- this one and a `LazySpan::scroll` whose anchor offset
+            // ran the opposite way while its doc claimed to mirror this
+            // one -- so every call site had to remember which it was
+            // talking to. There is one now.
             GestureOutcome::Pan(dy) => self.scroll(dy),
             // Same sign as `Pan`, since `tick` applies it through the
             // same `scroll`.
@@ -288,7 +373,12 @@ impl Scroll {
     /// question that cannot be answered yet -- answering it anyway is
     /// what `content_len`'s doc describes.
     pub fn update_amt(&mut self) {
-        if self.content_len.is_none() {
+        // A self-positioning child has no content length and no clamp of
+        // its own here: it does its own clamping in `apply_scroll`, and
+        // `amt` is a record of what it did rather than a position to
+        // correct. Clamping it against a `scroll_range` of zero (which is
+        // what no `content_len` computes to) would peg it at 0 forever.
+        if self.child_scrolls || self.content_len.is_none() {
             return;
         }
         let len = self.scroll_range();
@@ -304,7 +394,7 @@ impl Scroll {
     }
 
     /// Whether a fling is coasting here right now -- the same question
-    /// `LazySpan::is_scrolling` answers for the other scrolling widget, under
+    /// `Scroll::is_scrolling` answers for the other scrolling widget, under
     /// the same name so there is one word for it. What a caller polls to
     /// know whether this area is moving on its own (a test, and
     /// [`PressState::scrolling`]'s own condition).
@@ -312,6 +402,46 @@ impl Scroll {
         self.fling.is_flinging()
     }
 
+    /// Start a fling at `velocity`, in the same direction convention as
+    /// [`Self::scroll`]. Answers whether one actually started, which is
+    /// the caller's cue to register this widget for frames
+    /// (`UiData::animate`) -- see [`Widget::tick`]. Cancels any fling
+    /// already in progress.
+    ///
+    /// **Sets the fling; it does not drive it.** A fling moves only while
+    /// something calls `tick` once per frame, and what does that in a
+    /// running app is `UiData::tick_animations`, over the ids
+    /// `UiData::animate` was given. Split that way because the two halves
+    /// have different owners: the velocity is this widget's business and
+    /// whether anything animates at all is the frame loop's. Missing the
+    /// second call is what a finger fling did on Iris's phone for two
+    /// builds -- the velocity was right and nothing ever advanced it,
+    /// which looks exactly like a list that stops dead under the finger.
+    ///
+    /// The density handed to `FlingCalculator` is this area's own, taken
+    /// from the painter in `draw`, not `1.0`: it does **not** cancel out
+    /// of the spline, and a hardcoded 1.0 against a 2.75-density screen
+    /// made a flick that should coast for about a second run for 45.
+    pub fn fling(&mut self, velocity: f32) -> bool {
+        self.fling.start(velocity, self.density)
+    }
+
+    /// Cancel any fling in progress with no further movement -- the next
+    /// touch-down's job, since `AndroidFlingSpline`'s curve has no idea a
+    /// finger came back down and Android's own `Scroller` relies on the
+    /// view calling `abortAnimation` for the same reason.
+    pub fn cancel_fling(&mut self) {
+        self.fling.stop();
+    }
+
+    /// The velocity a fling in progress is coasting at, `None` when
+    /// nothing is flinging. What a release's decision looks like from the
+    /// outside, so a test can read what the gesture measured rather than
+    /// re-timing the gesture itself.
+    pub fn fling_velocity(&self) -> Option<f32> {
+        self.fling.velocity()
+    }
+
     /// Which way this area pans. For a caller that found the widget
     /// rather than built it -- a test walking what is drawn, a scroll
     /// indicator asking which edge to sit on.
@@ -319,7 +449,22 @@ impl Scroll {
         self.axis
     }
 
+    /// Pan by `amt`, in the finger's direction: positive moves the
+    /// content the positive way along the axis, which brings **earlier**
+    /// content into view. One convention, and the one
+    /// [`Widget::apply_scroll`] carries, so that a delta means the same
+    /// thing wherever it is handed on.
+    ///
+    /// A child that positions itself cannot be moved by writing `amt`
+    /// here -- where it can actually go is a question only its own layout
+    /// can answer -- so the delta is banked until `draw`, which is where
+    /// that answer exists. `amt` is then written from what the child
+    /// really took.
     pub fn scroll(&mut self, amt: f32) {
+        if self.child_scrolls {
+            self.pending += amt;
+            return;
+        }
         self.amt -= amt;
         self.update_amt();
     }
diff --git a/iris/transcript-fixture/examples/phone.rs b/iris/transcript-fixture/examples/phone.rs
index bd896b3..16c1f49 100644
--- a/iris/transcript-fixture/examples/phone.rs
+++ b/iris/transcript-fixture/examples/phone.rs
@@ -125,11 +125,6 @@ impl DefaultAppState for Client {
                 if let Some(inset) = ime_argv() {
                     opened.screen.composer.set_bottom_inset(rsc, inset);
                 }
-                // A fling coasts only while something asks for the next
-                // frame; on the desktop that is the window's own redraw
-                // request (`LazySpan::fling`'s doc).
-                let handle = rsc.tasks.redraw_handle();
-                (opened.screen.list)(rsc).set_redraw_handle(handle);
                 Some(opened.screen)
             }
             // On screen rather than a panic: this window exists to be
diff --git a/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/catch_a_fling.rs b/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/catch_a_fling.rs
index 1300d37..483e8c5 100644
--- a/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/catch_a_fling.rs
+++ b/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/catch_a_fling.rs
@@ -124,7 +124,7 @@ fn a_press_on_a_flinging_list_pins_the_content_to_the_finger() {
         PHONE_FRAME_MS,
     );
     assert!(
-        (screen.list)(&mut h.rsc).is_scrolling(),
+        (screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc).is_scrolling(),
         "the fling must still be running 150ms in, or this test catches nothing"
     );
 
@@ -151,7 +151,7 @@ fn a_catch_that_never_moved_is_not_a_tap_and_does_not_fling() {
         PHONE_FRAME_MS,
     );
     assert!(
-        (screen.list)(&mut h.rsc).is_scrolling(),
+        (screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc).is_scrolling(),
         "the fling must still be running 150ms in, or this test catches nothing"
     );
 
@@ -161,7 +161,7 @@ fn a_catch_that_never_moved_is_not_a_tap_and_does_not_fling() {
     h.touch(TouchAction::Up, Vec2::new(CATCH_X, 1200.0), catch_at + 8);
 
     assert_eq!(
-        (screen.list)(&mut h.rsc).fling_velocity(),
+        (screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc).fling_velocity(),
         None,
         "a press that stopped a fling and moved nothing must not start another"
     );
@@ -195,7 +195,7 @@ fn the_same_small_drag_on_a_settled_list_moves_nothing() {
         PHONE_FRAME_MS,
     );
     assert!(
-        !(screen.list)(&mut h.rsc).is_scrolling(),
+        !(screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc).is_scrolling(),
         "the fling must have stopped, or this is the same case as the test above"
     );
 
diff --git a/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/gesture_cancel.rs b/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/gesture_cancel.rs
index 694678a..6f11436 100644
--- a/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/gesture_cancel.rs
+++ b/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/gesture_cancel.rs
@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ fn a_cancelled_flick_does_not_fling() {
     h.replay(&flick);
 
     assert_eq!(
-        (screen.list)(&mut h.rsc).fling_velocity(),
+        (screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc).fling_velocity(),
         None,
         "a gesture the platform took away must not fling"
     );
@@ -110,7 +110,7 @@ fn a_press_ended_by_a_cancel_leaves_no_origin_for_the_next_one() {
         after - before
     );
     assert_eq!(
-        (screen.list)(&mut h.rsc).fling_velocity(),
+        (screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc).fling_velocity(),
         None,
         "and it must not have flung either"
     );
diff --git a/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/phone_screen.rs b/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/phone_screen.rs
index 3a9920d..8ea4cd9 100644
--- a/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/phone_screen.rs
+++ b/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/phone_screen.rs
@@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ fn offset(h: &mut Harness, screen: &transcript_ui::TranscriptScreen) -> String {
 /// (a) and (b) together, because the second is only meaningful if the
 /// first happened: the recorded flick must release with a real velocity
 /// (`GestureOutcome::Released(Some(v))`, which is the only thing that
-/// puts a value in `LazySpan::fling_velocity`), and the list must then
+/// puts a value in `Scroll::fling_velocity`), and the list must then
 /// actually travel and stop on the spline's own schedule.
 #[test]
 fn a_recorded_flick_releases_with_a_velocity_and_flings_the_list() {
@@ -44,18 +44,23 @@ fn a_recorded_flick_releases_with_a_velocity_and_flings_the_list() {
     let flick = script("flick-120hz", include_str!("../touch/flick-120hz.touch"));
     h.replay(&flick);
 
-    let velocity = (screen.list)(&mut h.rsc)
+    let velocity = (screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc)
         .fling_velocity()
         .expect("the flick must release as a pan with a velocity, not a tap");
     // Compose's own answer for this recording's five samples, printed by
     // `iris/benches/velocity_reference.py` -- not a number read off this
-    // code. Negative because the flick runs *down* the screen and
-    // `Selection::drag` flings the list by `-v` (see its `Released` arm).
+    // code. **Positive** because the flick runs *down* the screen and a
+    // delta now carries the finger's own direction the whole way, from the
+    // gesture through `Selection::drag` (which passes it straight to
+    // `Scroll::fling`) to the anchor. It read -15250 while the transcript
+    // negated the velocity on its way into a `LazySpan` whose anchor
+    // offset ran the other way; the magnitude is the number that came from
+    // `velocity_reference.py` and it has not changed.
     // The 2026-09-07 before/after: the old average estimator read
-    // -12250px/s here, which is the fling Iris reported as too slow.
+    // 12250px/s here, which is the fling Iris reported as too slow.
     assert!(
-        (velocity + 15_250.0).abs() < 20.0,
-        "expected ~-15250px/s from velocity_reference.py, got {velocity}"
+        (velocity - 15_250.0).abs() < 20.0,
+        "expected ~15250px/s from velocity_reference.py, got {velocity}"
     );
 
     // `iris/benches/fling_spline_reference.py`'s own line for this exact
@@ -93,7 +98,7 @@ fn a_recorded_flick_releases_with_a_velocity_and_flings_the_list() {
                     .key_at(middle)
                     .and_then(|key| list.extent(key).map(|(top, _)| (key, top))),
             };
-        if settled_at.is_none() && !list.is_scrolling() {
+        if settled_at.is_none() && !(screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc).is_scrolling() {
             settled_at = Some(t);
         }
         t += PHONE_FRAME_MS;
@@ -137,7 +142,7 @@ fn a_tap_on_a_row_moves_nothing() {
     h.replay(&script("tap", include_str!("../touch/tap.touch")));
 
     assert_eq!(
-        (screen.list)(&mut h.rsc).fling_velocity(),
+        (screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc).fling_velocity(),
         None,
         "a tap must not fling"
     );
diff --git a/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/top_edge.rs b/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/top_edge.rs
index c7a802a..bec6d90 100644
--- a/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/top_edge.rs
+++ b/iris/transcript-fixture/tests/top_edge.rs
@@ -62,10 +62,15 @@ fn drawn_rows(h: &Harness, screen: &transcript_ui::TranscriptScreen) -> Vec<(f32
     rows
 }
 
-/// Scrolls `amount` (negative walks back through older rows) and runs the
-/// frame it asks for, returning the time of the next one.
+/// Scrolls `amount` and runs the frame it asks for, returning the time of
+/// the next one. **Positive walks back through older rows** -- the
+/// finger's own direction, and `Scroll::scroll`'s, which is the one
+/// convention a delta has anywhere in iris since the transcript's scroll
+/// position moved out of the `LazySpan` and into the `Scroll` around it.
+/// It used to be the opposite here, because a `LazySpan`'s anchor offset
+/// ran the other way.
 fn scrolled(h: &mut Harness, screen: &transcript_ui::TranscriptScreen, amount: f32, t: u64) -> u64 {
-    (screen.list)(&mut h.rsc).scroll(amount);
+    (screen.scroll)(&mut h.rsc).scroll(amount);
     h.frame(t);
     t + PHONE_FRAME_MS
 }
@@ -84,7 +89,7 @@ fn the_row_across_the_top_edge_is_drawn() {
     // 40px a frame, the shape a finger pan arrives in, through a straddle
     // and out the other side of it many times over.
     for _ in 0..60 {
-        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, -40.0, t);
+        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, 40.0, t);
         let rows = drawn_rows(&h, &screen);
         let first = *rows.first().expect("something is on screen");
         assert!(
@@ -231,17 +236,17 @@ fn rows_that_have_left_the_viewport_are_not_drawn() {
     };
 
     for step in 0..40 {
-        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, -400.0, t);
+        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, 400.0, t);
         bounded(&drawn_rows(&h, &screen), "measuring", step);
     }
     for step in 0..40 {
-        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, 400.0, t);
+        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, -400.0, t);
         let rows = drawn_rows(&h, &screen);
         bounded(&rows, "forward", step);
         inside(&rows, "forward", step);
     }
     for step in 0..40 {
-        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, -400.0, t);
+        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, 400.0, t);
         let rows = drawn_rows(&h, &screen);
         bounded(&rows, "back", step);
         inside(&rows, "back", step);
@@ -259,7 +264,7 @@ fn the_row_across_the_bottom_edge_is_drawn() {
     let mut t = PHONE_FRAME_MS * 2;
 
     for _ in 0..40 {
-        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, -37.0, t);
+        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, 37.0, t);
         let rows = drawn_rows(&h, &screen);
         let last = *rows.last().expect("something is on screen");
         assert!(
@@ -290,7 +295,7 @@ fn scrolling_past_the_first_row_settles_on_it() {
     let mut t = PHONE_FRAME_MS * 2;
 
     for _ in 0..60 {
-        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, -100_000.0, t);
+        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, 100_000.0, t);
     }
     // No settling frame on purpose: the draw that discovers the gap gives
     // it back inside that same frame (`LazySpan::overscroll_gap`), so the last
@@ -316,7 +321,7 @@ fn scrolling_past_the_last_row_settles_on_it() {
     let mut t = PHONE_FRAME_MS * 2;
 
     for _ in 0..20 {
-        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, 100_000.0, t);
+        t = scrolled(&mut h, &screen, -100_000.0, t);
     }
 
     let rows = drawn_rows(&h, &screen);
diff --git a/iris/transcript-ui/src/lib.rs b/iris/transcript-ui/src/lib.rs
index c8ab02a..a025847 100644
--- a/iris/transcript-ui/src/lib.rs
+++ b/iris/transcript-ui/src/lib.rs
@@ -59,6 +59,11 @@ pub struct TranscriptScreen {
     /// `.extent()`/call `.jump_to_end()` etc. directly for anything this
     /// crate does not already wrap.
     pub list: WeakWidget<LazySpan>,
+    /// The scroll area around it, which owns the position, the fling and
+    /// the pin -- what a caller drives to scroll the transcript, or reads
+    /// to ask whether it is coasting. The `LazySpan` above lays out; it
+    /// does not scroll.
+    pub scroll: WeakWidget<Scroll>,
     pub composer: composer::Composer,
     selection: Rc<RefCell<Selection>>,
     /// How many times [`Self::apply`] has fallen back to a full rebuild --
@@ -375,16 +380,6 @@ where
         tail = kept.map(|t| (key, t));
     }
 
-    // Wheel/trackpad scrolling -- the same idiom `trait_fns.rs`'s
-    // `scrollable()` uses for `Scroll`, applied directly to `LazySpan` since
-    // `LazySpan` already does its own placement and needs no `Scroll` wrapper.
-    // Real touch-drag panning is the known gap in this module's doc.
-    list.on(CursorSense::Scroll, |ctx, rsc| {
-        let delta = ctx.data.scroll_delta.y * 50.0;
-        ctx.widget(rsc).scroll(delta);
-    })
-    .add(rsc);
-
     // The continuation of a row-started drag once it has committed and
     // taken pointer capture on `list`'s own id (`row.rs`'s registration is
     // only ever the gesture's first frame) -- registered once here, not
@@ -420,6 +415,36 @@ where
         .add(rsc);
     }
 
+    // The scroll area. Everything about *scrolling* is here rather than
+    // in the list: the wheel, the fling, `amt`, and the clamp against the
+    // ends. The `LazySpan` inside answers `Widget::scrolls_itself`, so
+    // this hands it deltas to apply itself (`apply_scroll`) instead of
+    // sliding it about as a lump -- which it cannot be, since which rows
+    // exist at all is a function of where it is scrolled to.
+    //
+    // Built out rather than through `.scrollable_to_end()`, and this is
+    // the reason: that helper registers a finger drag on the `Scroll`,
+    // driving `Scroll`'s own `DragGesture`, and the transcript already has
+    // an arbiter of its own -- `Selection`, which has to decide between
+    // panning and selecting text and so cannot let a second `DragGesture`
+    // see the same frames. `DragGesture`'s doc says it: one gesture, one
+    // arbiter, each frame delivered exactly once. So the wheel is
+    // registered here (identical to the helper's) and the finger arrives
+    // through `Selection::drag`, which hands committed pans and releases
+    // to this same `Scroll`.
+    //
+    // `at_end: true` -- a transcript opens at its newest message and stays
+    // there while replies arrive. That is the *pin*, and it is a different
+    // question from `Dir::DOWN` above, which says the oldest message is
+    // item 0 and sits at the top.
+    let scroll = Scroll::new(list.add_strong(rsc).any(), Axis::Y, true)
+        .on(CursorSense::Scroll, |ctx, rsc| {
+            let delta = ctx.data.scroll_delta.y * 50.0;
+            ctx.widget(rsc).scroll(delta);
+        })
+        .add(rsc);
+    selection.borrow_mut().set_scroll_area(scroll);
+
     let (composer, composer_bar) = composer::build_composer(rsc);
 
     // `.masked()`: the list draws the row straddling each of its edges in
@@ -428,13 +453,14 @@ where
     // there, which on the phone is the header bar (docs/IRIS_TODO.md,
     // 2026-09-07: "code and a paragraph visible behind Run benchmark").
     // The same clip is what `LazySpan::draw` asserts it has.
-    let tree = (list.width(rest(1)).height(rest(1)).masked(), composer_bar)
+    let tree = (scroll.width(rest(1)).height(rest(1)).masked(), composer_bar)
         .span(Dir::DOWN)
         .add_strong(rsc)
         .any();
 
     (
         TranscriptScreen {
+            scroll,
             tail: RefCell::new(tail),
             session_working: std::cell::Cell::new(false),
             list,
diff --git a/iris/transcript-ui/src/selection.rs b/iris/transcript-ui/src/selection.rs
index 63b4c07..01d4665 100644
--- a/iris/transcript-ui/src/selection.rs
+++ b/iris/transcript-ui/src/selection.rs
@@ -53,6 +53,15 @@ pub struct Selection {
     /// in iris's default input layer, with only the pan-vs-select
     /// *decision* staying here.
     gesture: DragGesture,
+    /// The scroll area around the transcript's `LazySpan`, which owns the
+    /// position, the fling and `amt` -- what a committed pan and a release
+    /// are handed to. Set by `build_tree` the moment it exists, which is
+    /// after this (rows need a `Selection` to be built, and the `Scroll`
+    /// needs the rows), hence the `Option` rather than a constructor
+    /// argument. A `Selection` without one still selects text and still
+    /// reports taps; it simply cannot pan, which is what the `debug_assert`
+    /// in `drag` is there to catch in the tests that build one by hand.
+    scroll: Option<WeakWidget<Scroll>>,
 }
 
 impl Default for Selection {
@@ -67,9 +76,18 @@ impl Selection {
             rows: BTreeMap::new(),
             anchor: None,
             gesture: DragGesture::new(),
+            scroll: None,
         }
     }
 
+    /// Hand this the scroll area that wraps the transcript, once it
+    /// exists -- see the `scroll` field. Called by `build_tree`; every
+    /// pan and fling this arbitrates goes there rather than to the
+    /// `LazySpan`, which no longer owns a position.
+    pub fn set_scroll_area(&mut self, scroll: WeakWidget<Scroll>) {
+        self.scroll = Some(scroll);
+    }
+
     /// A row's selectable text became visible/known. Every addition here
     /// needs its removal (`unregister`, or `clear` for all of them at
     /// once) -- called when `LazySpan` evicts the row (`pop_front`/
@@ -260,7 +278,7 @@ impl Selection {
         pointer: &PointerRequests,
     ) -> GestureOutcome {
         // A fresh touch-down cancels any fling still coasting from the
-        // previous gesture -- `LazySpan::fling`'s own doc, and Android's
+        // previous gesture -- `Scroll::fling`'s own doc, and Android's
         // `Scroller::abortAnimation` for the same reason -- and, since
         // 2026-09-07, *tells the gesture there was one*. A press that
         // caught moving content is a catch: it pans from this very sample
@@ -270,10 +288,17 @@ impl Selection {
         // finger is"). See `DragArbiter::press_start` for Compose's own
         // mechanism. `starts_press` rather than a `PressStart` test of our
         // own, so this fires on the recovered-press frames too.
+        debug_assert!(
+            self.scroll.is_some(),
+            "Selection::drag with no scroll area: a committed pan would be silently dropped -- \
+             call `set_scroll_area` after building the `Scroll` around the transcript"
+        );
         let mut press = PressState::default();
         if self.gesture.starts_press(sense) {
-            press.scrolling = list(ui).is_scrolling();
-            list(ui).cancel_fling();
+            press.scrolling = self.scroll.is_some_and(|s| s(ui).is_scrolling());
+            if let Some(scroll) = self.scroll {
+                scroll(ui).cancel_fling();
+            }
         }
         press.already_selected = self.has_selection(ui);
         let outcome = self
@@ -286,7 +311,15 @@ impl Selection {
             // to undo either -- the point is that no tap, fling or
             // selection follows from a gesture that was never ours.
             GestureOutcome::Cancelled | GestureOutcome::Undecided => {}
-            GestureOutcome::Pan(dy) => list(ui).scroll(-dy),
+            // `scroll(dy)`, not `scroll(-dy)`: since the position moved
+            // into `Scroll` there is one convention for a scroll delta in
+            // the crate -- the finger's -- rather than a `LazySpan` whose
+            // anchor offset ran the other way while claiming to mirror it.
+            GestureOutcome::Pan(dy) => {
+                if let Some(scroll) = self.scroll {
+                    scroll(ui).scroll(dy);
+                }
+            }
             GestureOutcome::SelectStart => {
                 if let Some((key, pos_row, size)) = row {
                     // Grep-able on "iris selection" the way the frame
@@ -310,18 +343,19 @@ impl Selection {
             // tap/long-press that never left `Undecided` -- exactly what
             // `DragGesture`'s `Some(v)` already encodes.
             GestureOutcome::Released(Some(v)) => {
-                list(ui).fling(-v);
                 // The half that actually makes it move -- see
-                // `LazySpan::fling`'s doc. Without it the velocity is
+                // `Scroll::fling`'s doc. Without it the velocity is
                 // computed, stored, and never advanced by anything.
                 //
                 // Only when `fling` actually took it: below Compose's
-                // `|v| <= 1.0`, or with no anchor, there is nothing to
-                // tick, and registering an animation for a widget that is
-                // not animating asks the next frame to find that out
-                // (docs/REVIEW-2026-09-07.md's second nit).
-                if list(ui).is_scrolling() {
-                    let id = list.id();
+                // `|v| <= 1.0` there is nothing to tick, and registering
+                // an animation for a widget that is not animating asks the
+                // next frame to find that out (docs/REVIEW-2026-09-07.md's
+                // second nit).
+                if let Some(scroll) = self.scroll
+                    && scroll(ui).fling(v)
+                {
+                    let id = scroll.id();
                     ui.ui_mut().animate(id);
                 }
             }
@@ -427,13 +461,19 @@ mod tests {
                 EditMode::MultiLine,
             ))
             .weak();
-        let list = rsc
+        let list = rsc.ui.widgets.add_strong(LazySpan::new(Dir::DOWN, true));
+        let list_weak = list.weak();
+        // The scroll area the real screen puts around it: a committed pan
+        // goes there, and `Selection` asserts it was told about one.
+        let scroll = rsc
             .ui
             .widgets
-            .add_strong(LazySpan::new(Dir::DOWN, true))
+            .add_strong(Scroll::new(list.any(), Axis::Y, true))
             .weak();
+        let list = list_weak;
 
         let mut sel = Selection::new();
+        sel.set_scroll_area(scroll);
         sel.register((1, 0), field);
         assert!(sel.gesture.is_idle());