diff --git a/core/src/layout_diagnostics.rs b/core/src/layout_diagnostics.rs
index f5eac2c..b5f4daf 100644
--- a/core/src/layout_diagnostics.rs
+++ b/core/src/layout_diagnostics.rs
@@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ pub(crate) enum Counter {
     TextBreaks,
     GlyphPlacements,
     OutsidePinnedLen,
-    OutsideFrame,
+    OutsideRelBase,
     OutsideRegion,
 }
 
@@ -89,7 +89,7 @@ impl Counter {
         "text line breaks",
         "glyph placements",
         "reuse outside: the length it was pinned to",
-        "reuse outside: a frame length",
+        "reuse outside: a rel base",
         "reuse outside: a region length",
     ];
 }
diff --git a/core/src/ui/active.rs b/core/src/ui/active.rs
index ca4b15a..1ea06a7 100644
--- a/core/src/ui/active.rs
+++ b/core/src/ui/active.rs
@@ -13,10 +13,10 @@ pub struct ActiveData {
     pub placement: UiRegion,
     /// What a fraction declared or reported under this widget is a fraction
     /// of, as a length of the window.
-    pub frame: UiVec2,
-    /// A frame its parent decided for it on each axis -- a row's slot, or
-    /// padding's frame less its pixels -- as a length of the window. `None`
-    /// forwards the parent's frame. What it declared is kept separately in
+    pub rel_base: UiVec2,
+    /// A rel base its parent decided for it on each axis -- a row's slot, or
+    /// padding's rel base less its pixels -- as a length of the window. `None`
+    /// forwards the parent's rel base. What it declared is kept separately in
     /// `declared` and is a fraction of whichever of the two reached it.
     pub narrow: [Option<Len>; 2],
     /// Where its drawing was put, and where it was asked, each as a part of
@@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ pub struct ActiveData {
     /// What the widget reported, in window-unit lengths.
     pub size: Size,
     /// The window and region reads that this drawing holds for, and the
-    /// frame and region it pinned.
+    /// rel base and region it pinned.
     pub holds: LayoutHolds,
     pub drawn: bool,
     pub parent: Option<WidgetId>,
@@ -61,7 +61,7 @@ pub struct ActiveData {
     /// The movable region its primitives are positioned through: its own when
     /// opted in, otherwise the nearest ancestor's.
     pub move_idx: MoveIdx,
-    /// The declared lengths whoever drew this widget resolved into its frame.
+    /// The declared lengths whoever drew this widget resolved into its rel base.
     /// A change to one moves a box this widget cannot fix by drawing again,
     /// and comparing them is what says so.
     pub declared: [Option<LayoutLen>; 2],
diff --git a/core/src/ui/layout_holds.rs b/core/src/ui/layout_holds.rs
index bcf4270..3a1a494 100644
--- a/core/src/ui/layout_holds.rs
+++ b/core/src/ui/layout_holds.rs
@@ -4,24 +4,24 @@ const AXES: [Axis; 2] = [Axis::X, Axis::Y];
 
 /// What one evaluation of a widget depends on: the window lengths its reads
 /// hold for, the pixel lengths of its own box, and the symbolic lengths of
-/// that box and of its frame where either one is what it was expressed in.
+/// that box and of its rel base where either one is what it was expressed in.
 ///
 /// The symbolic lengths are pins rather than ranges: a container places its
-/// children as lengths of its frame measured from where its own box starts,
+/// children as lengths of its rel base measured from where its own box starts,
 /// so what it draws turns on that box's length and on nothing about where it
 /// is. A box pin reaches the parent only where the box it pinned is the
 /// parent's own; anywhere else the parent chose that length itself, and a
 /// widget pinned this way is checked when it is re-placed.
 ///
-/// A frame pin says the answer or the drawing is a fraction of the frame,
-/// which is a different length wherever the frame is a different one -- at
+/// A rel base pin says the answer or the drawing is a fraction of the rel base,
+/// which is a different length wherever the rel base is a different one -- at
 /// the same window size, so no range of window pixels can say it. A length
-/// of the frame that is only pixels is not one: it is that many pixels
-/// whatever the frame turns out to be.
+/// of the rel base that is only pixels is not one: it is that many pixels
+/// whatever the rel base turns out to be.
 #[derive(Clone, Copy, Debug, PartialEq)]
 pub struct LayoutHolds {
     pub window: [Holds; 2],
-    pub frame_len: [Option<Len>; 2],
+    pub rel_base: [Option<Len>; 2],
     pub region: [Holds; 2],
     pub region_len: [Option<Len>; 2],
 }
@@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ pub struct LayoutHolds {
 impl LayoutHolds {
     pub const ANY: Self = Self {
         window: [Holds::ANY; 2],
-        frame_len: [None; 2],
+        rel_base: [None; 2],
         region: [Holds::ANY; 2],
         region_len: [None; 2],
     };
@@ -45,12 +45,12 @@ impl LayoutHolds {
                     || self.region_len[n] == other.region_len[n]
             );
             debug_assert!(
-                self.frame_len[n].is_none()
-                    || other.frame_len[n].is_none()
-                    || self.frame_len[n] == other.frame_len[n]
+                self.rel_base[n].is_none()
+                    || other.rel_base[n].is_none()
+                    || self.rel_base[n] == other.rel_base[n]
             );
             result.region_len[n] = self.region_len[n].or(other.region_len[n]);
-            result.frame_len[n] = self.frame_len[n].or(other.frame_len[n]);
+            result.rel_base[n] = self.rel_base[n].or(other.rel_base[n]);
         }
         result
     }
@@ -62,16 +62,16 @@ impl LayoutHolds {
                 && self.region[n].lo <= other.region[n].lo
                 && self.region[n].hi >= other.region[n].hi
                 && self.region_len[n].is_none_or(|len| other.region_len[n] == Some(len))
-                && self.frame_len[n].is_none_or(|len| other.frame_len[n] == Some(len))
+                && self.rel_base[n].is_none_or(|len| other.rel_base[n] == Some(len))
         })
     }
 
-    pub fn contains(self, window: PxVec2, frame: UiVec2, region: UiRegion) -> bool {
+    pub fn contains(self, window: PxVec2, rel_base: UiVec2, region: UiRegion) -> bool {
         AXES.into_iter().all(|axis| {
             let n = axis as usize;
             let len = region.axis(axis).len();
             self.window[n].contains(window.axis(axis))
-                && self.frame_len[n].is_none_or(|pinned| pinned == frame.axis(axis))
+                && self.rel_base[n].is_none_or(|pinned| pinned == rel_base.axis(axis))
                 && self.region[n].contains(len.to_px(window.axis(axis)))
                 && self.region_len[n].is_none_or(|pinned| pinned == len)
         })
diff --git a/core/src/ui/painter.rs b/core/src/ui/painter.rs
index bfc9ee0..009b3bc 100644
--- a/core/src/ui/painter.rs
+++ b/core/src/ui/painter.rs
@@ -17,11 +17,11 @@ pub struct Painter<'a> {
     pub(super) state: &'a mut UiRenderState,
     pub(super) rsc: &'a mut dyn UiRsc,
 
-    /// This widget's frame, per axis: a length of the window, and what a
+    /// This widget's rel base, per axis: a length of the window, and what a
     /// fraction it or anything under it declares or reports is a fraction
     /// of. A length rather than a box, so padding can take from both the
-    /// frame and the box without either becoming the other.
-    pub(super) frame: UiVec2,
+    /// rel base and the box without either becoming the other.
+    pub(super) rel_base: UiVec2,
     /// The box this widget was asked in, in its region node's coordinates:
     /// what it draws in, and what its children's places are parts of.
     pub(super) region: UiRegion,
@@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ pub struct Painter<'a> {
     pub(super) size_deps: Vec<WidgetId>,
     /// What this draw itself reads, as against what its children's drawings
     /// hold for: every window and every length of its own region until it
-    /// reads one, then that one unless it says otherwise, and the frame or
+    /// reads one, then that one unless it says otherwise, and the rel base or
     /// region length it read symbolically, each of which makes the drawing
     /// hold for that length alone.
     pub(super) own: LayoutHolds,
@@ -144,24 +144,44 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
         };
     }
 
-    /// Draws a widget in the whole of this widget's own box, with the frame
+    /// Draws a widget in the whole of this widget's own box, with the rel base
     /// forwarded unchanged: what a container that is only a wrapper around
     /// one child wants, and what every transparent container passes for the
-    /// frame.
+    /// rel base.
     pub fn widget<'s, W: ?Sized>(&'s mut self, id: &'s StrongWidget<W>) -> DrawResult<'s, 'a, W> {
-        self.widget_at(id, [None; 2], [Place::Within(Part::All); 2])
+        self.widget_within(id, UiRegion::FULL)
+    }
+
+    /// Draws a widget in `region` of this widget's own box, in that box's own
+    /// coordinates -- an inset, or an offset.
+    ///
+    /// The child's rel base is this widget's narrowed the same way the box is,
+    /// so padding takes its pixels off both and an offset, which changes the
+    /// box's length by nothing, changes neither. An axis the region leaves
+    /// whole is not read at all, so a wrapper that only moves its child does
+    /// not pin the drawing to a rel base.
+    pub fn widget_within<'s, W: ?Sized>(
+        &'s mut self,
+        id: &'s StrongWidget<W>,
+        region: UiRegion,
+    ) -> DrawResult<'s, 'a, W> {
+        let narrow = AXES.map(|axis| {
+            let len = region.axis(axis).len();
+            (len != Len::FULL).then(|| len.within_len(self.rel_base(axis)))
+        });
+        self.widget_at(id, narrow, region_places(region))
     }
 
     /// Asks a child, saying what its fractions are of and where it is asked.
     ///
-    /// `narrow` is a length this widget decided for the child's frame, per
-    /// axis, as a length of this widget's own frame: a resolved share, or a
-    /// box a sibling's answer decided. `None` forwards this widget's frame,
-    /// which is what a container that only divides room passes, so a
-    /// fraction under it means the same wherever it sits and however deeply
-    /// it is nested. A declared length narrows the frame here whatever the
-    /// caller says. A narrowed frame is placed in the part by the child's
-    /// alignment and is the box the child is asked in.
+    /// `narrow` is the child's rel base, per axis, as a length of the
+    /// window: a resolved share, or a box a sibling's answer decided. `None`
+    /// forwards this widget's own, which is what a container that only
+    /// divides room passes, so a fraction under it means the same wherever
+    /// it sits and however deeply it is nested. It only ever narrows -- a
+    /// length the child declares narrows it again here whatever the caller
+    /// says -- and what comes of it is also the box the child is asked in,
+    /// placed in the part by the child's alignment.
     ///
     /// `place` is where the child is asked, per axis, as a part of this
     /// widget's box: see [`Place`]. The child draws once, in that box, and
@@ -177,8 +197,8 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
         let region_node = self.rsc.widgets().is_region_node(id.id());
         let declared = self.declared_lens(id);
         let align = self.rsc.widgets().alignment(id.id());
-        let (frame, region) =
-            frame_and_region(self.region, self.frame, place, narrow, declared, align);
+        let (rel_base, region) =
+            rel_base_and_region(self.region, self.rel_base, place, narrow, declared, align);
         #[cfg(feature = "layout-diagnostics")]
         if region_node {
             diag::bump(Counter::RegionNodeDraws);
@@ -189,7 +209,7 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
         if !re_asked {
             self.children.push(id.id());
         }
-        let px = frame.to_px(self.window);
+        let px = rel_base.to_px(self.window);
         let (size, answer_holds, holds) = self.state.draw_inner(
             id.id(),
             DrawInfo {
@@ -199,7 +219,7 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
                 parent_move: self.move_idx,
                 region_node,
                 mask: self.mask,
-                frame,
+                rel_base,
                 region,
                 placed: place,
                 asked: place,
@@ -233,18 +253,36 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
         self.state.undraw_rec(id.id(), self.rsc);
     }
 
-    /// Puts a child asked about in this draw somewhere else in this
-    /// widget's box: its answer, placed in this part instead. The drawing
-    /// is re-expressed there rather than made again -- what a row does once
-    /// it knows every slot, having measured each child from its cursor.
-    pub fn place_at<W: ?Sized>(&mut self, id: &StrongWidget<W>, place: [Place; 2]) {
-        debug_assert!(
-            self.children.contains(&id.id()),
-            "'{}' placed a child it did not ask about in this draw",
-            self.label()
-        );
+    /// Puts a child in `place` of this widget's box, where that box is the
+    /// answer the child already gave: the drawing is re-expressed there
+    /// rather than made again -- what a row does once it knows every slot,
+    /// having measured each child from its cursor.
+    ///
+    /// A child this draw has not asked about, and one whose rel base this
+    /// narrows, is asked here instead: there is no answer to re-express, or
+    /// the question has changed. So a container that places every child the
+    /// same way says it once, and which of the two happens is this widget's
+    /// business rather than the caller's.
+    pub fn place_at<'s, W: ?Sized>(
+        &'s mut self,
+        id: &'s StrongWidget<W>,
+        narrow: [Option<Len>; 2],
+        place: [Place; 2],
+    ) -> DrawResult<'s, 'a, W> {
+        if narrow.iter().any(Option::is_some) || !self.children.contains(&id.id()) {
+            return self.widget_at(id, narrow, place);
+        }
         let at = self.placing();
         self.state.place_in(id.id(), &at, place, self.rsc);
+        let active = &self.state.active[&id.id()];
+        let size = active.measured().unwrap_or(active.size);
+        DrawResult {
+            child: id,
+            painter: self,
+            size,
+            // Read where it was asked; moving it is not a second answer.
+            answer_holds: LayoutHolds::ANY,
+        }
     }
 
     /// This widget as the thing its children are placed within.
@@ -252,7 +290,7 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
         Placing {
             id: self.id,
             region: self.region,
-            frame: self.frame,
+            rel_base: self.rel_base,
             window: self.window,
             depth: self.depth,
             move_idx: self.move_idx,
@@ -261,7 +299,7 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
     }
 
     /// What a widget's rules declare its lengths to be, which whoever draws
-    /// it resolves into its frame. Reading them depends on nothing -- the box
+    /// it resolves into its rel base. Reading them depends on nothing -- the box
     /// that comes of them is kept on the child, and `redraw` compares it
     /// there.
     fn declared_lens<W: ?Sized>(&self, id: &StrongWidget<W>) -> [Option<LayoutLen>; 2] {
@@ -270,7 +308,7 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
 
     /// What a child says its length is without being drawn, if it can say,
     /// as the length its draw would report: a fraction in it is resolved
-    /// against this widget's frame, which is the frame a child asked with
+    /// against this widget's rel base, which is the rel base a child asked with
     /// nothing narrowed gets. Asking counts as reading its size.
     pub fn size_hint<W: ?Sized>(&mut self, id: &StrongWidget<W>, axis: Axis) -> Option<LayoutLen> {
         let widgets = self.rsc.widgets();
@@ -281,8 +319,8 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
                 .get_dyn(id.id())
                 .and_then(|widget| widget.size_hint(axis))
         });
-        let frame = self.frame.axis(axis);
-        let resolved = hint.map(|hint| hint.within_len(frame));
+        let rel_base = self.rel_base.axis(axis);
+        let resolved = hint.map(|hint| hint.within_len(rel_base));
         #[cfg(feature = "layout-diagnostics")]
         {
             diag::hint_read(id.id(), self.id, axis, resolved);
@@ -293,12 +331,12 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
         }
         if let Some(hint) = hint {
             self.depend_on(id);
-            // Resolving a fraction against this frame makes this draw a
-            // function of the frame's length. The fraction to ask about is
-            // the child's own: resolved against a frame of pixels, none is
+            // Resolving a fraction against this rel base makes this draw a
+            // function of the rel base's length. The fraction to ask about is
+            // the child's own: resolved against a rel base of pixels, none is
             // left to see it by.
             if hint.rel != Rel::ZERO {
-                self.own.frame_len[axis as usize] = Some(frame);
+                self.own.rel_base[axis as usize] = Some(rel_base);
             }
         }
         resolved
@@ -322,7 +360,7 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
         ui.text.render(buffer, attrs, width)
     }
 
-    /// Writes glyphs in the selected frame or region coordinates.
+    /// Writes glyphs in the selected rel base or region coordinates.
     // TODO: merge the text methods into the primitive ones.
     pub fn glyphs(&mut self, text: &RenderedText, origin: UiRegion) {
         // Glyph offsets and sizes are pixels, which compose additively.
@@ -358,7 +396,7 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
     }
 
     /// The symbolic length of this widget's own box along one axis, in the
-    /// lengths of its frame that it places its children in. Reading it pins
+    /// lengths of its rel base that it places its children in. Reading it pins
     /// the drawing to that length -- and to nothing about where the box
     /// starts, which is what lets a container move without being drawn
     /// again. One axis at a time, because a container that divides one axis
@@ -369,14 +407,14 @@ impl<'a> Painter<'a> {
         len
     }
 
-    /// The symbolic length of this widget's frame along one axis: what a
-    /// fraction it or anything under it declares is a fraction of. A
-    /// container reads it to hand a length of it down -- padding, which
-    /// takes its pixels off. Reading it pins the drawing to that frame, the
-    /// way [`Self::region_len`] pins it to the box.
-    pub fn frame_len(&mut self, axis: Axis) -> Len {
-        let len = self.frame.axis(axis);
-        self.own.frame_len[axis as usize] = Some(len);
+    /// This widget's rel base along one axis: what a fraction it or anything
+    /// under it declares or reports is a fraction of. A container reads it
+    /// to hand a length of it down -- padding, which takes its pixels off.
+    /// Reading it pins the drawing to that rel base, the way
+    /// [`Self::region_len`] pins it to the box.
+    pub fn rel_base(&mut self, axis: Axis) -> Len {
+        let len = self.rel_base.axis(axis);
+        self.own.rel_base[axis as usize] = Some(len);
         len
     }
 
@@ -559,14 +597,14 @@ impl PrimitiveLike for &TextureHandle {
 /// only what the child was asked with.
 impl Painter<'_> {
     /// Window ranges are already about the one unit and combine directly.
-    /// A frame pin becomes this widget's own frame wherever a length of it
+    /// A rel base pin becomes this widget's own rel base wherever a length of it
     /// is what reached the child; where only pixels did, no length of this
-    /// frame can change the child's and the pin stops here.
+    /// rel base can change the child's and the pin stops here.
     ///
     /// A child's validity maps back through the part of this widget's box,
     /// where the box the child was asked in is that part; a declared length
     /// places the box inside the part instead, and then only that length
-    /// reaches the child. A narrowed frame is not one of these: it decides
+    /// reaches the child. A narrowed rel base is not one of these: it decides
     /// what fractions under the child mean and leaves the box the part it
     /// was given.
     fn in_parent(
@@ -586,18 +624,8 @@ impl Painter<'_> {
             let reaches = narrow[n].is_none()
                 && !matches!(place[n].part(), Part::Sized(_))
                 && declared[n].is_none_or(|len| len.rel != Rel::ZERO);
-            result.frame_len[n] = holds.frame_len[n].and(reaches.then(|| self.frame.axis(axis)));
+            result.rel_base[n] = holds.rel_base[n].and(reaches.then(|| self.rel_base.axis(axis)));
             match (place[n].part(), declared[n].is_some()) {
-                // Its box is this widget's own, or a part of it in that
-                // box's own lengths: so what it holds for is a range on this
-                // widget's own box, which is what lets that box move without
-                // a redraw. A length it pinned is this widget's length
-                // wherever the part is the whole of it, and pins the same
-                // way.
-                (Part::All, false) => {
-                    result.region[n] = holds.region[n];
-                    result.region_len[n] = holds.region_len[n];
-                }
                 // Its box is a part of this widget's own box, in that box's
                 // own lengths, so what it holds for maps back through that
                 // part into a range on this widget's box. A length it pinned
@@ -614,7 +642,7 @@ impl Painter<'_> {
                     });
                 }
                 // Its box is a length this widget decided, from its own
-                // frame or from a sibling's answer: no length of this
+                // rel base or from a sibling's answer: no length of this
                 // widget's box reaches it, so what it holds for is a range
                 // on the window and none of it on that box.
                 _ => {
@@ -627,6 +655,14 @@ impl Painter<'_> {
     }
 }
 
+/// A box of a widget's own, per axis, with the answer placed inside it.
+fn region_places(region: UiRegion) -> [Place; 2] {
+    [
+        Place::Within(Part::Of(region.x)),
+        Place::Within(Part::Of(region.y)),
+    ]
+}
+
 /// What a widget declares a length of its box to be. `leftover` is not one: a
 /// share of what is left over is only a length to the widget dividing one,
 /// so it passes up in the size instead.
@@ -662,11 +698,11 @@ pub(crate) fn fills(reported: LayoutLen, declared: Option<LayoutLen>, decided: b
 /// it reported, on the side of the part its alignment says, and the whole
 /// part wherever the answer fills it.
 ///
-/// The length it reported is a length of its frame, and the part is one too,
+/// The length it reported is a length of its rel base, and the part is one too,
 /// so this takes one from the other rather than composing it into the part.
 /// That is what makes a fraction the same fraction wherever the part it is
 /// placed in sits and however long it is -- the fraction is resolved once,
-/// here, against the frame it was reported of.
+/// here, against the rel base it was reported of.
 pub(crate) fn placement(
     region: UiRegion,
     size: Size,
@@ -689,27 +725,27 @@ pub(crate) fn placement(
     placed
 }
 
-/// The frame length and the box a child is asked in, in the coordinates the
+/// The rel base length and the box a child is asked in, in the coordinates the
 /// widget asking draws in.
 ///
 /// `own` is that widget's own box, and `place` what of it the child is
-/// given. `narrow` is a frame the container decided for the child -- a row's
-/// slot, or padding's frame less its pixels -- and [`Part::Sized`] one a
+/// given. `narrow` is a rel base the container decided for the child -- a row's
+/// slot, or padding's rel base less its pixels -- and [`Part::Sized`] one a
 /// sibling's answer decided; both are window lengths, like every other
 /// length here, since a slot of a row is not a fraction of anything the row
 /// can name. The child's declaration is a fraction of whichever reached it,
 /// and is the only one of the three that also places the box: a box the
 /// caller decided is what `place` names.
-pub(crate) fn frame_and_region(
+pub(crate) fn rel_base_and_region(
     own: UiRegion,
-    parent_frame: UiVec2,
+    parent_rel_base: UiVec2,
     place: [Place; 2],
     narrow: [Option<Len>; 2],
     declared: [Option<LayoutLen>; 2],
     align: RegionAlign,
 ) -> (UiVec2, UiRegion) {
     let given = region_of(own, place, align);
-    let mut frame = parent_frame;
+    let mut rel_base = parent_rel_base;
     let mut region = given;
     for axis in AXES {
         let n = axis as usize;
@@ -719,18 +755,18 @@ pub(crate) fn frame_and_region(
         };
         let base = sized
             .or(narrow[n])
-            .unwrap_or_else(|| parent_frame.axis(axis));
+            .unwrap_or_else(|| parent_rel_base.axis(axis));
         let len = declared[n]
             .map(|len| Len::from_parts(len.rel, len.px).within_len(base))
             .unwrap_or(base);
-        *frame.axis_mut(axis) = len;
+        *rel_base.axis_mut(axis) = len;
         if declared[n].is_some() {
             let slot = given.axis(axis);
             let start = slot.start + (slot.len() - len).scale(align.axis(axis).rel());
             *region.axis_mut(axis) = UiSpan::new(start, start + len);
         }
     }
-    (frame, region)
+    (rel_base, region)
 }
 
 /// The part of a widget's own box a `place` names, in the coordinates that
diff --git a/core/src/ui/place.rs b/core/src/ui/place.rs
index f722c00..e7264d2 100644
--- a/core/src/ui/place.rs
+++ b/core/src/ui/place.rs
@@ -3,14 +3,12 @@ use crate::{AxisAlign, Len, PrimitiveHandle, UiRegion, UiSpan};
 /// What of a widget's own box a child is given, along one axis.
 #[derive(Clone, Copy, Debug, PartialEq)]
 pub enum Part {
-    /// The whole of it.
-    All,
     /// Window lengths from where the box starts, which is what a container
     /// dividing room among its children speaks: a child's report is a window
     /// length, so the cursor that sums those reports is one too. A moved box
     /// re-places every child by re-adding its start, exactly. A fraction
     /// here is a fraction of the window and not of the box -- the whole of a
-    /// box is [`Self::All`], not a `rel(1.0)` span.
+    /// box is `Of(UiSpan::FULL)`, not a `rel(1.0)` span.
     From(UiSpan),
     /// A part of the box in its own coordinates, which is what a container
     /// that insets one speaks: taking eleven pixels off the end needs no
@@ -19,7 +17,7 @@ pub enum Part {
     /// then feeds back into the answer.
     Of(UiSpan),
     /// A box of this length, wherever in the parent's box the child's own
-    /// alignment puts it, and that same length as its frame. Unlike `From`,
+    /// alignment puts it, and that same length as its rel base. Unlike `From`,
     /// it is a length decided from above rather than a place along a
     /// container's cursor -- what a stack's sizing child decides for the
     /// rest.
@@ -27,10 +25,13 @@ pub enum Part {
 }
 
 impl Part {
+    /// The whole of the box. Not a variant of its own: it composes and
+    /// inverts through the same expressions every other `Of` does.
+    pub const WHOLE: Self = Self::Of(UiSpan::FULL);
+
     /// Where it lands in the coordinates `own` is in.
     pub(crate) fn of(self, own: UiSpan, align: AxisAlign) -> UiSpan {
         match self {
-            Self::All => own,
             Self::From(span) => UiSpan::new(own.start + span.start, own.start + span.end),
             Self::Of(span) => span.within(&own),
             Self::Sized(len) => {
diff --git a/core/src/ui/render_state.rs b/core/src/ui/render_state.rs
index a392047..5cc5a43 100644
--- a/core/src/ui/render_state.rs
+++ b/core/src/ui/render_state.rs
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 #[cfg(feature = "layout-diagnostics")]
 use crate::layout_diagnostics::{self as diag, Counter, ReuseOutcome, TimerKind};
-use crate::ui::painter::{declared_lens, frame_and_region, placement};
+use crate::ui::painter::{declared_lens, placement, rel_base_and_region};
 use crate::{
     ActiveData, Axis, DrawLayers, IdLike, LayoutHolds, LayoutLen, Len, MaskIdx, MoveIdx, Moves,
     Painter, Part, PixelRegion, Place, PxVec2, Rel, Size, StrongWidget, UiRegion, UiRsc, UiSpan,
@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@ pub(super) struct DrawInfo {
     pub mask: MaskIdx,
     /// What a fraction declared or reported under this widget is a fraction
     /// of, as a length of the window.
-    pub frame: UiVec2,
+    pub rel_base: UiVec2,
     /// The box the widget is asked in, in its parent region node's
     /// coordinates.
     pub region: UiRegion,
@@ -31,12 +31,12 @@ pub(super) struct DrawInfo {
     /// parent puts the answer somewhere else.
     pub placed: [Place; 2],
     pub asked: [Place; 2],
-    /// A frame the parent decided for it on each axis, as a length of the
+    /// A rel base the parent decided for it on each axis, as a length of the
     /// window, which the widget's own declaration is a fraction of.
     pub narrow: [Option<Len>; 2],
     /// Whether the parent already asked about this widget in this draw.
     pub re_asked: bool,
-    /// The frame in pixels, resolved once against the window.
+    /// The rel base in pixels, resolved once against the window.
     pub px: PxVec2,
 }
 
@@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ impl DrawInfo {
 pub(super) struct Placing {
     pub id: WidgetId,
     pub region: UiRegion,
-    pub frame: UiVec2,
+    pub rel_base: UiVec2,
     pub window: PxVec2,
     pub depth: usize,
     pub move_idx: MoveIdx,
@@ -120,13 +120,13 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         let Some(root) = self.old_root else { return };
         let stands = self.active.get(&root).is_some_and(|active| {
             // Nothing above the root chose anything, so the box it was first
-            // asked about is the whole of its frame. Both its answer and its
+            // asked about is the whole of its rel base. Both its answer and its
             // drawing have to stand in the new window, since nothing above
             // it will ask either again.
             let answer = active
                 .answer
-                .is_some_and(|(_, holds)| holds.contains(size, active.frame, active.region));
-            answer && active.holds.contains(size, active.frame, active.region)
+                .is_some_and(|(_, holds)| holds.contains(size, active.rel_base, active.region));
+            answer && active.holds.contains(size, active.rel_base, active.region)
         });
         if !stands {
             widgets.needs_redraw.insert(root);
@@ -134,9 +134,9 @@ impl UiRenderState {
     }
 
     /// The root is asked about in the output. Its own rules narrow both its
-    /// frame and box; nothing above it chose a different one.
-    fn root_info(&self, frame: UiVec2, region: UiRegion) -> DrawInfo {
-        let px = frame.to_px(self.output_size);
+    /// rel base and box; nothing above it chose a different one.
+    fn root_info(&self, rel_base: UiVec2, region: UiRegion) -> DrawInfo {
+        let px = rel_base.to_px(self.output_size);
         DrawInfo {
             layer: 0,
             parent: None,
@@ -144,10 +144,10 @@ impl UiRenderState {
             parent_move: MoveIdx::NONE,
             region_node: false,
             mask: MaskIdx::NONE,
-            frame,
+            rel_base,
             region,
-            placed: [Place::Within(Part::All); 2],
-            asked: [Place::Within(Part::All); 2],
+            placed: [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE); 2],
+            asked: [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE); 2],
             narrow: [None; 2],
             re_asked: false,
             px,
@@ -196,20 +196,20 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         let _layout = diag::timer(TimerKind::FullLayout);
         self.clear(rsc);
         if let Some(id) = root {
-            let (frame, region) = Self::root_layout(id.id(), rsc.widgets());
-            let info = self.root_info(frame, region);
+            let (rel_base, region) = Self::root_layout(id.id(), rsc.widgets());
+            let info = self.root_info(rel_base, region);
             self.draw_inner(id.id(), info, None, rsc);
         }
     }
 
-    /// The root's frame and box: the window, taken in by the root's own
+    /// The root's rel base and box: the window, taken in by the root's own
     /// rules. Nothing above it narrowed anything or chose where it goes, so
     /// its declaration is the whole of what decides either.
     fn root_layout(id: WidgetId, widgets: &Widgets) -> (UiVec2, UiRegion) {
-        frame_and_region(
+        rel_base_and_region(
             UiRegion::FULL,
             UiVec2::FULL_SIZE,
-            [Place::Within(Part::All); 2],
+            [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE); 2],
             [None; 2],
             declared_lens(widgets, id),
             widgets.alignment(id),
@@ -269,10 +269,10 @@ impl UiRenderState {
 
         let drawing_holds = self.active[&id].holds;
         let active = self.active.get_mut(&id).unwrap();
-        // Whoever asked owns how the boxes were reached: the frame it stated,
+        // Whoever asked owns how the boxes were reached: the rel base it stated,
         // and what of its own box it asked in. A local redraw asks the same
         // question again from these.
-        active.frame = info.frame;
+        active.rel_base = info.rel_base;
         active.narrow = info.narrow;
         active.re_asked = info.re_asked;
         active.answer = Some(answer);
@@ -292,7 +292,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         (answer.0, answer.1, drawing_holds)
     }
 
-    /// Calls a widget's `draw` and keeps what it drew in `region` of `frame`.
+    /// Calls a widget's `draw` and keeps what it drew in `region`.
     fn draw_at(
         &mut self,
         id: WidgetId,
@@ -301,7 +301,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         old: Option<ActiveData>,
         rsc: &mut dyn UiRsc,
     ) -> (Size, LayoutHolds) {
-        let frame = info.frame;
+        let rel_base = info.rel_base;
         let (move_idx, region, retired_move) = match info.region_node {
             // A node entry is only a translation. Its local box keeps the
             // same window-unit length as the box in its parent's node.
@@ -324,7 +324,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         let window = self.output_size;
         let mut painter = Painter {
             state: self,
-            frame,
+            rel_base,
             region,
             window,
             mask: info.mask,
@@ -359,7 +359,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         let Painter {
             state: _,
             rsc: _,
-            frame: _,
+            rel_base: _,
             region: _,
             window: _,
             mask,
@@ -387,18 +387,18 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         // A rule wins on the axis it names, and the draw answers the rest.
         // Applied here so it is one place rather than every widget that could
         // carry one, and so the widget under a rule never learns of it. The
-        // frame is the answer where the rule gave a length outright: it was
-        // resolved into the frame when the child was asked, and resolving it
+        // rel base is the answer where the rule gave a length outright: it was
+        // resolved into the rel base when the child was asked, and resolving it
         // again here would take the fraction of a fraction.
         let rules = rsc.widgets().size_rules(id);
         let ruled = |axis: Axis, reported: LayoutLen| match rules.axis(axis).exact() {
             None => reported,
             Some(len) if len.leftover == Weight::ZERO => LayoutLen {
-                rel: info.frame.axis(axis).rel,
-                px: info.frame.axis(axis).px,
+                rel: info.rel_base.axis(axis).rel,
+                px: info.rel_base.axis(axis).px,
                 leftover: Weight::ZERO,
             },
-            Some(len) => len.within_len(info.frame.axis(axis)),
+            Some(len) => len.within_len(info.rel_base.axis(axis)),
         };
         let size = Size {
             x: ruled(Axis::X, size.x),
@@ -428,27 +428,27 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         if let Some(idx) = retired_move {
             self.moves.remove(idx);
         }
-        // A rule that is a fraction of the frame is answered with the
-        // frame's own length, so the answer is that frame's and not just
+        // A rule that is a fraction of the rel base is answered with the
+        // rel base's own length, so the answer is that rel base's and not just
         // that many pixels of this window -- the same pin a widget that read
-        // its frame took for its drawing.
-        let frame_len = AXES.map(|axis| {
+        // its rel base took for its drawing.
+        let rel_base = AXES.map(|axis| {
             let fraction = rules
                 .axis(axis)
                 .exact()
                 .is_some_and(|len| len.rel != Rel::ZERO);
             match fraction {
-                true => Some(info.frame.axis(axis)),
-                false => own.frame_len[axis as usize],
+                true => Some(info.rel_base.axis(axis)),
+                false => own.rel_base[axis as usize],
             }
         });
-        let own_holds = LayoutHolds { frame_len, ..own };
+        let own_holds = LayoutHolds { rel_base, ..own };
         let answer_holds = own_holds.and(answer_under);
         let holds = under
             .into_iter()
             .fold(answer_holds, |holds, (_, child)| holds.and(child));
         debug_assert!(
-            holds.contains(self.output_size, info.frame, region),
+            holds.contains(self.output_size, info.rel_base, region),
             "'{}' ({id:?}) drew in {px:?}, outside the ranges it reported: {holds:?}",
             rsc.widgets().label(id),
         );
@@ -466,10 +466,10 @@ impl UiRenderState {
                         parent_move: move_idx,
                         region_node: false,
                         mask,
-                        frame: UiVec2::FULL_SIZE,
+                        rel_base: UiVec2::FULL_SIZE,
                         region: UiRegion::FULL,
-                        placed: [Place::Within(Part::All); 2],
-                        asked: [Place::Within(Part::All); 2],
+                        placed: [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE); 2],
+                        asked: [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE); 2],
                         narrow: [None; 2],
                         re_asked: false,
                         px,
@@ -483,7 +483,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         let active = ActiveData {
             id,
             placement: region,
-            frame: info.frame,
+            rel_base: info.rel_base,
             narrow: info.narrow,
             placed: info.placed,
             asked: info.asked,
@@ -555,7 +555,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         let answer = active.answer?;
         answer
             .1
-            .contains(self.output_size, info.frame, region)
+            .contains(self.output_size, info.rel_base, region)
             .then_some(answer)
     }
 
@@ -620,10 +620,13 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         // In pixels, because the box is a fraction of the window and that
         // may be what changed -- an unchanged fraction of a window half the
         // size is half the widget.
-        if !active.holds.contains(self.output_size, info.frame, region) {
+        if !active
+            .holds
+            .contains(self.output_size, info.rel_base, region)
+        {
             #[cfg(feature = "layout-diagnostics")]
             {
-                // Which of the three said no, so a frame that redraws more
+                // Which of the three said no, so a rel base that redraws more
                 // than it should says where to look. They overlap: a drawing
                 // can be outside two of them at once.
                 let holds = active.holds;
@@ -633,9 +636,10 @@ impl UiRenderState {
                         diag::bump(Counter::OutsidePinnedLen);
                     }
                     if !holds.window[n].contains(self.output_size.axis(axis))
-                        || holds.frame_len[n].is_some_and(|pinned| pinned != info.frame.axis(axis))
+                        || holds.rel_base[n]
+                            .is_some_and(|pinned| pinned != info.rel_base.axis(axis))
                     {
-                        diag::bump(Counter::OutsideFrame);
+                        diag::bump(Counter::OutsideRelBase);
                     }
                     if !holds.region[n]
                         .contains(region.axis(axis).len().to_px(self.output_size.axis(axis)))
@@ -677,7 +681,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         }
         self.redepth(id, info.depth);
         let active = self.active.get_mut(&id).unwrap();
-        active.frame = info.frame;
+        active.rel_base = info.rel_base;
         active.placed = info.placed;
         #[cfg(feature = "layout-diagnostics")]
         {
@@ -718,7 +722,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         rsc: &mut dyn UiRsc,
     ) {
         let active = &self.active[&child];
-        let (frame, region) = Self::ask_again(active, at, place);
+        let (rel_base, region) = Self::ask_again(active, at, place);
         let placed = placement(
             region,
             active.measured().unwrap_or(active.size),
@@ -733,25 +737,25 @@ impl UiRenderState {
             parent_move: at.move_idx,
             region_node: active.move_idx != active.parent_move,
             mask: at.mask,
-            frame,
+            rel_base,
             region,
             placed: place,
             asked: active.asked,
             narrow: active.narrow,
             re_asked: active.re_asked,
-            px: frame.to_px(at.window),
+            px: rel_base.to_px(at.window),
         };
         self.relocate(child, placed, info, rsc);
     }
 
-    /// The frame and the box a widget already drawn is given at `place` of
-    /// the box its parent is being taken as. What narrowed its frame and what
+    /// The rel base and the box a widget already drawn is given at `place` of
+    /// the box its parent is being taken as. What narrowed its rel base and what
     /// it declared are its own record's, so both are resolved against that
-    /// parent's frame again exactly as the first ask resolved them.
+    /// parent's rel base again exactly as the first ask resolved them.
     fn ask_again(active: &ActiveData, at: &Placing, place: [Place; 2]) -> (UiVec2, UiRegion) {
-        frame_and_region(
+        rel_base_and_region(
             at.region,
-            at.frame,
+            at.rel_base,
             place,
             active.narrow,
             active.declared,
@@ -776,7 +780,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         let at = Placing {
             id,
             region: placed,
-            frame: info.frame,
+            rel_base: info.rel_base,
             window: self.output_size,
             depth: info.depth,
             move_idx: active.move_idx,
@@ -881,10 +885,10 @@ impl UiRenderState {
             ActiveData {
                 id,
                 placement: UiRegion::FULL,
-                frame: UiVec2::FULL_SIZE,
+                rel_base: UiVec2::FULL_SIZE,
                 narrow: [None; 2],
-                placed: [Place::Within(Part::All); 2],
-                asked: [Place::Within(Part::All); 2],
+                placed: [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE); 2],
+                asked: [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE); 2],
                 region: UiRegion::FULL,
                 answer: None,
                 re_asked: false,
@@ -1112,10 +1116,10 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         // box is its own to work out again against the output. Every other
         // widget was given one.
         let Some(parent) = active.parent else {
-            let (frame, region) = Self::root_layout(id, rsc.widgets());
+            let (rel_base, region) = Self::root_layout(id, rsc.widgets());
             let info = DrawInfo {
                 mask: active.parent_mask,
-                ..self.root_info(frame, region)
+                ..self.root_info(rel_base, region)
             };
             #[cfg(feature = "layout-diagnostics")]
             diag::bump(Counter::LocalRedraws);
@@ -1130,7 +1134,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         // parent's answer put its own drawing is not a question anybody
         // asked, and nothing is asked in it here either.
         let parent_at = self.placing_of(parent, self.active[&parent].region);
-        let (frame, region) = Self::ask_again(active, &parent_at, active.asked);
+        let (rel_base, region) = Self::ask_again(active, &parent_at, active.asked);
         let info = DrawInfo {
             layer: active.layer,
             parent: active.parent,
@@ -1138,13 +1142,13 @@ impl UiRenderState {
             parent_move: active.parent_move,
             region_node: rsc.widgets().is_region_node(id),
             mask: active.parent_mask,
-            frame,
+            rel_base,
             region,
             placed: active.asked,
             asked: active.asked,
             narrow: active.narrow,
             re_asked: false,
-            px: frame.to_px(self.output_size),
+            px: rel_base.to_px(self.output_size),
         };
         #[cfg(feature = "layout-diagnostics")]
         diag::bump(Counter::LocalRedraws);
@@ -1161,7 +1165,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
             active.answer = was_answer;
         }
         if active.holds.covers(was_holds)
-            && was_holds.contains(self.output_size, active.frame, active.placement)
+            && was_holds.contains(self.output_size, active.rel_base, active.placement)
         {
             active.holds = was_holds;
         }
@@ -1192,7 +1196,7 @@ impl UiRenderState {
         Placing {
             id,
             region,
-            frame: active.frame,
+            rel_base: active.rel_base,
             window: self.output_size,
             depth: active.depth,
             move_idx: active.move_idx,
diff --git a/src/random.rs b/src/random.rs
index 5f7bb3f..5c0299b 100644
--- a/src/random.rs
+++ b/src/random.rs
@@ -120,7 +120,7 @@ impl Widget for Branch {
         let cut = Len::from_parts(Rel::ZERO, Px::from_int(40));
         let top = Place::Within(Part::From(UiSpan::new(Len::ZERO, cut)));
         let measured = painter
-            .widget_at(&self.probe, [None; 2], [Place::Within(Part::All), top])
+            .widget_at(&self.probe, [None; 2], [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE), top])
             .len(Axis::X);
         let len = measured.apply_leftover();
         let px = painter.to_px(len, Axis::X);
@@ -135,7 +135,7 @@ impl Widget for Branch {
         painter.window_holds(Axis::X, holds.through(len));
 
         let below = Place::Within(Part::From(UiSpan::new(cut, painter.region_len(Axis::Y))));
-        let place = [Place::Within(Part::All), below];
+        let place = [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE), below];
         match px > threshold {
             true => painter.widget_at(&self.wide, [None; 2], place),
             false => painter.widget_at(&self.narrow, [None; 2], place),
diff --git a/src/widget/position/offset.rs b/src/widget/position/offset.rs
index 758fdcd..572f5f5 100644
--- a/src/widget/position/offset.rs
+++ b/src/widget/position/offset.rs
@@ -7,14 +7,8 @@ pub struct Offset {
 
 impl Widget for Offset {
     fn draw(&mut self, painter: &mut Painter) -> Size {
-        // The whole of this widget's box, moved: the frame passes through, so
-        // what the child declares or reports means the same as it would
-        // without the offset.
-        let moved = |len: Len, amt: Len| Place::Within(Part::From(UiSpan::new(amt, len + amt)));
-        let place = [
-            moved(painter.region_len(Axis::X), self.amt.x),
-            moved(painter.region_len(Axis::Y), self.amt.y),
-        ];
-        painter.widget_at(&self.inner, [None; 2], place).size()
+        painter
+            .widget_within(&self.inner, UiRegion::FULL.offset(self.amt))
+            .size()
     }
 }
diff --git a/src/widget/position/pad.rs b/src/widget/position/pad.rs
index 474c993..7d001ae 100644
--- a/src/widget/position/pad.rs
+++ b/src/widget/position/pad.rs
@@ -14,31 +14,14 @@ impl Widget for Pad {
         // widget -- the slack is the inner's to sit in, and forcing the near
         // edge pinned it to a corner it had not asked for.
         //
-        // Padding is an inset of both: it comes off the frame, so `rel(1)`
+        // Padding is an inset of both: it comes off the rel base, so `rel(1)`
         // under it fills this widget rather than overflowing it by the
         // padding, and it comes off the box, so what is drawn sits inside.
         // The two stay distinct -- the box can be narrower still, where a row
         // asked this widget in the room left, and a text wraps at that.
-        let inset = |lead: Px, trail: Px| {
-            Place::Within(Part::Of(UiSpan::new(
-                Len::from_parts(Rel::ZERO, lead),
-                Len::from_parts(Rel::ONE, -trail),
-            )))
-        };
-        let place = [
-            inset(self.padding.left, self.padding.right),
-            inset(self.padding.top, self.padding.bottom),
-        ];
-        // Read from this widget's own frame rather than written as a
-        // fraction of it: a frame is a length of the window like everything
-        // else here, and taking the padding off is the whole of what this
-        // widget does to it.
-        let narrow = [
-            (Axis::X, self.padding.left + self.padding.right),
-            (Axis::Y, self.padding.top + self.padding.bottom),
-        ]
-        .map(|(axis, pixels)| Some(painter.frame_len(axis) - Len::from_parts(Rel::ZERO, pixels)));
-        let inner = painter.widget_at(&self.inner, narrow, place).size();
+        let inner = painter
+            .widget_within(&self.inner, self.padding.region())
+            .size();
         Size {
             x: LayoutLen {
                 px: inner.x.px + self.padding.left + self.padding.right,
diff --git a/src/widget/position/scroll.rs b/src/widget/position/scroll.rs
index b04c1a5..1369a95 100644
--- a/src/widget/position/scroll.rs
+++ b/src/widget/position/scroll.rs
@@ -14,7 +14,7 @@ impl Widget for Scroll {
         let container_len = painter.px_len(self.axis);
         // Asked in the whole viewport, then put at the scrolled offset.
         let answer_len = painter
-            .widget_at(&self.inner, [None; 2], [Place::Fill(Part::All); 2])
+            .widget_at(&self.inner, [None; 2], [Place::Fill(Part::WHOLE); 2])
             .len(self.axis);
         let fixed = painter.to_px(Len::from_parts(answer_len.rel, answer_len.px), self.axis);
         self.container_len = container_len;
@@ -56,15 +56,17 @@ impl Widget for Scroll {
                 let start = Len::from_parts(Rel::ZERO, anchor - self.amt);
                 Part::From(UiSpan::new(start, start.offset(self.content_len)))
             }
-            false => Part::All,
+            false => Part::WHOLE,
         };
-        // The viewport is the inner's frame, so a fraction it declares or
+        // The viewport is the inner's rel base, so a fraction it declares or
         // reports is a fraction of what is on screen rather than of the
         // content box its own answer decided. Where it goes is the content
         // box, scrolled: its drawing moved there, not made again there.
         painter.place_at(
             &self.inner,
-            self.axis.pair(Place::Fill(content), Place::Fill(Part::All)),
+            [None; 2],
+            self.axis
+                .pair(Place::Fill(content), Place::Fill(Part::WHOLE)),
         );
         // What it occupies is its box, on both axes: it clips its content to
         // that box, so it can neither take less of one nor honestly ask for
diff --git a/src/widget/position/span.rs b/src/widget/position/span.rs
index cd84f70..f6c3c97 100644
--- a/src/widget/position/span.rs
+++ b/src/widget/position/span.rs
@@ -10,7 +10,7 @@ pub struct Span {
 impl Widget for Span {
     fn draw(&mut self, painter: &mut Painter) -> Size {
         let axis = self.dir.axis;
-        // The row: this span's own box, as a length of the frame its children
+        // The row: this span's own box, as a length of the rel base its children
         // are laid out against. Its start is nothing's business -- a slot is
         // a length from it -- so what this reads is the length alone.
         let far = painter.region_len(axis);
@@ -21,29 +21,23 @@ impl Widget for Span {
         // Across itself the child sits where its own alignment says, in the
         // whole of the row: a span is what contains its children there, and
         // nothing divides that axis.
-        let across = Place::Within(Part::All);
+        let across = Place::Within(Part::WHOLE);
         // A length for every child before their final slots are chosen: from
-        // a hint where one says, and from drawing otherwise. The frame passes
+        // a hint where one says, and from drawing otherwise. The rel base passes
         // through unchanged, so `rel(0.5)` is half the area this span was
         // given whatever else is in it and wherever this child sits among
         // them; what a drawn child is asked in is the room left from the
         // cursor, because a text has to wrap at the width actually there.
         let mut cursor = Len::rel_min();
         let mut lens = Vec::with_capacity(self.children.len());
-        let mut drawn_across = Vec::with_capacity(self.children.len());
         for child in &self.children {
             let len = match painter.size_hint(child, axis) {
-                Some(len) => {
-                    drawn_across.push(None);
-                    len
-                }
+                Some(len) => len,
                 None => {
                     let room = Place::Within(Part::From(along(cursor, far)));
-                    let size = painter
+                    painter
                         .widget_at(child, [None; 2], axis.pair(room, across))
-                        .size();
-                    drawn_across.push(Some(size.axis(!axis)));
-                    size.axis(axis)
+                        .len(axis)
                 }
             };
             cursor.px += len.px + self.gap;
@@ -63,7 +57,7 @@ impl Widget for Span {
         );
 
         // What is left for the shares to divide: the row less everything
-        // fixed, as a length of the frame rather than a number of pixels.
+        // fixed, as a length of the rel base rather than a number of pixels.
         let room = far - Len::from_parts(total.rel, total.px);
         // Whether anything is left over is a question in pixels: `rel(0.5)`
         // beside 300 px is full at 600 and overfull at 400. Asked of `room`
@@ -100,7 +94,7 @@ impl Widget for Span {
         let mut taken = Weight::ZERO;
         let mut start = Len::rel_min();
         let mut ortho = LayoutLen::ZERO;
-        for ((child, &len), &across_len) in self.children.iter().zip(&lens).zip(&drawn_across) {
+        for (child, &len) in self.children.iter().zip(&lens) {
             // A child asking for nothing but a part of what is left over,
             // when nothing is, is not drawn at all. One that also asked for
             // pixels or a fraction keeps those and overflows.
@@ -121,7 +115,7 @@ impl Widget for Span {
             // Along the row the span says where the child goes, and that slot
             // is the child's box outright rather than something to place an
             // answer inside again. A share is decided here and nowhere
-            // else: its slot narrows its frame, and the child is asked in
+            // else: its slot narrows its rel base, and the child is asked in
             // it, since a text wraps at the width it is actually given. A
             // fixed child's slot is its own answer, so a drawing made in the
             // room is put there as it is, and one not made yet is made here.
@@ -131,13 +125,7 @@ impl Widget for Span {
             if len.leftover > Weight::ZERO && shares {
                 narrow[axis as usize] = Some(slot.len());
             }
-            let used = match (across_len, narrow[axis as usize]) {
-                (Some(across_len), None) => {
-                    painter.place_at(child, place);
-                    across_len
-                }
-                _ => painter.widget_at(child, narrow, place).len(!axis),
-            };
+            let used = painter.place_at(child, narrow, place).len(!axis);
             if shrinks {
                 // Choosing between a fixed and a relative length from the
                 // span's own eventual width admits multiple fixed points.
diff --git a/src/widget/position/stack.rs b/src/widget/position/stack.rs
index 05f97fd..7157618 100644
--- a/src/widget/position/stack.rs
+++ b/src/widget/position/stack.rs
@@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ impl Widget for Stack {
             Some((i, child)) => {
                 painter.child_layer_at(i);
                 painter
-                    .widget_at(child, [None; 2], [Place::Fill(Part::All); 2])
+                    .widget_at(child, [None; 2], [Place::Fill(Part::WHOLE); 2])
                     .size()
             }
             None => Size::LEFTOVER,
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@ impl Widget for Stack {
             let len = size.axis(axis);
             match len.leftover == Weight::ZERO {
                 true => Place::Fill(Part::Sized(Len::from_parts(len.rel, len.px))),
-                false => Place::Within(Part::All),
+                false => Place::Within(Part::WHOLE),
             }
         });
         for (i, child) in self.children.iter().enumerate() {
diff --git a/tests/cases/determinism.rs b/tests/cases/determinism.rs
index 4e1eeb5..76dd590 100644
--- a/tests/cases/determinism.rs
+++ b/tests/cases/determinism.rs
@@ -24,12 +24,12 @@ impl Widget for BranchesOnMeasurement {
         let cut = Len::from_parts(Rel::ZERO, Px::from_int(40));
         let top = Place::Within(Part::From(UiSpan::new(Len::ZERO, cut)));
         let measured = painter
-            .widget_at(&self.probe, [None; 2], [Place::Within(Part::All), top])
+            .widget_at(&self.probe, [None; 2], [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE), top])
             .len(Axis::X);
         let px = painter.to_px(measured.apply_leftover(), Axis::X);
 
         let below = Place::Within(Part::From(UiSpan::new(cut, painter.region_len(Axis::Y))));
-        let place = [Place::Within(Part::All), below];
+        let place = [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE), below];
         match px > Px::from_f32(self.threshold) {
             true => painter.widget_at(&self.wide, [None; 2], place),
             false => painter.widget_at(&self.narrow, [None; 2], place),
diff --git a/tests/cases/layout.rs b/tests/cases/layout.rs
index 301b40f..a62d857 100644
--- a/tests/cases/layout.rs
+++ b/tests/cases/layout.rs
@@ -108,7 +108,7 @@ const PARAGRAPH: &str = "Wrapping shapes one source into as many lines as the bo
 /// the icon's width, while a wrapping text beside it is asked in the room
 /// left, 900 - 24 - 32, and wraps there.
 #[test]
-fn padding_keeps_the_frame_distinct_from_the_room_left_in_a_row() {
+fn padding_keeps_the_rel_base_distinct_from_the_room_left_in_a_row() {
     let mut h = Harness::new((900, 200));
     let icon = rect(Color::RED).width(24).add(&mut h.rsc);
     let fill = rect(Color::GREEN).width(rel(1.0)).add(&mut h.rsc);
@@ -125,7 +125,7 @@ fn padding_keeps_the_frame_distinct_from_the_room_left_in_a_row() {
     let active = &h.render.active[&text.id()];
     let window = h.render.output_size().x;
     let asked = active.region.x.len().to_px(window);
-    assert_eq!(active.frame.x.to_px(window), Px::from_int(868));
+    assert_eq!(active.rel_base.x.to_px(window), Px::from_int(868));
     assert_eq!(asked, Px::from_int(844));
 }
 
@@ -155,7 +155,7 @@ fn a_share_inside_padding_fills_the_slot_it_was_given() {
 /// The same padding in a share instead: the slot is 450, so both the
 /// fraction and the wrap are the slot less the padding, and the two agree.
 #[test]
-fn padding_narrows_both_frame_and_box_inside_a_share() {
+fn padding_narrows_both_rel_base_and_box_inside_a_share() {
     let mut h = Harness::new((900, 200));
     let fill = rect(Color::GREEN).width(rel(1.0)).add(&mut h.rsc);
     let padded = fill.pad(16).width(leftover(1)).add(&mut h.rsc);
@@ -170,7 +170,7 @@ fn padding_narrows_both_frame_and_box_inside_a_share() {
     h.set_root((padded, other).span(Dir::RIGHT).width(rel(1.0)));
     let active = &h.render.active[&text.id()];
     let window = h.render.output_size().x;
-    assert_eq!(active.frame.x.to_px(window), Px::from_int(418));
+    assert_eq!(active.rel_base.x.to_px(window), Px::from_int(418));
     assert_eq!(active.region.x.len().to_px(window), Px::from_int(418));
 }
 
diff --git a/tests/cases/retained.rs b/tests/cases/retained.rs
index 3e6e6dd..5e20f96 100644
--- a/tests/cases/retained.rs
+++ b/tests/cases/retained.rs
@@ -217,7 +217,7 @@ impl Widget for FromHint {
         painter.widget_at(
             &self.inner,
             [None; 2],
-            [Place::Within(Part::All), Place::Within(Part::From(top))],
+            [Place::Within(Part::WHOLE), Place::Within(Part::From(top))],
         );
         Size::LEFTOVER
     }
diff --git a/tests/scenario/mod.rs b/tests/scenario/mod.rs
index ca9fabf..b7aa7be 100644
--- a/tests/scenario/mod.rs
+++ b/tests/scenario/mod.rs
@@ -406,8 +406,8 @@ fn describe_widget(id: WidgetId, h: &Harness) -> String {
 fn record(id: WidgetId, h: &Harness) -> String {
     let active = &h.render.active[&id];
     format!(
-        "frame {} region {} placement {} size {}",
-        active.frame, active.region, active.placement, active.size,
+        "rel_base {} region {} placement {} size {}",
+        active.rel_base, active.region, active.placement, active.size,
     )
 }